Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document
Hi, OMII-UK's intent is to support this within GridSAM. As of today, we haven't commissioned anybody or committed our own effort, but we're currently looking into ways we could support this work. Cheers Steve Crouch -- Dr Stephen Crouch, Software Architect, OMII-UK, Electronics and Computer Science, Room 4067, Level 4, Building 32, University of Southampton, Highfield, Southampton SO17 1BJ Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 8787 EMail: s.crouch@omii.ac.uk Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 3045 WWW: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~stc Morris Riedel wrote:
..as part of Grid-SAM?
------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany
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"We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity"
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)
------Original Message----- -From: David Wallom [mailto:david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:38 PM -To: Morris Riedel; 'Moreno Marzolla' -Cc: Steven Newhouse; pgi-wg@ogf.org -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document - -It is being implemented by OMII-UK - -David - - -On 20/05/2009 12:30, "Morris Riedel" <m.riedel@fz-juelich.de> wrote: - -> Hi team, -> ->> - David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep ->> -extension" draft as it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily ->> -different jobs (for the requirement of bulk job submission to the ->> -execution service, which is a feature currently not supported). -> -> FYI: I did an excerpt of this standard yesterday, I put it on gridforge for -> those that seek a short insight: -> -> http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/doc -> man.root.input_documents.execution_service/doc15635 -> -> -> So far, it looks like a reasonable good emerging standard lacking -> implementations I guess - but yet another JSDL extension... :-) -> -> Take care, -> Morris -> -> -> -> ------------------------------------------------------------ -> Morris Riedel -> SW - Engineer -> Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division -> Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) -> Forschungszentrum Juelich -> Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 -> D - 52425 Juelich -> Germany -> -> Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de -> Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -> Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 -> Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 -> -> Skype: MorrisRiedel -> -> "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" -> -> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich -> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 -> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe -> Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), -> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) -> -> ->> ------Original Message----- ->> -From: Moreno Marzolla [mailto:moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it] ->> -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:52 AM ->> -To: Morris Riedel ->> -Cc: 'Balazs Konya'; 'Steven Newhouse'; pgi-wg@ogf.org ->> -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document ->> - ->> -Morris Riedel wrote: ->> -> Hi team, ->> -> ->> ->> and had not seen any comment to Andrew¹s document? ->> -> ->> ->> - I haven't seen any real comments to the GES rendering document -> either. ->> -> ->> -> Yeah that was my idea with the factsheet, which had the views of both ->> -> documents merged - but this was ignored and now we have again our two ->> -> fronts... ->> - ->> -We will *always* have the two front, but I'll give my views later during ->> -the teleconference. ->> -Anyway I should point out that during the last call there was no time ->> -left to discuss anything else, which in my opinion was fine anyway ->> -because we had the opportunity to understand the "GES realization via ->> -existing specification" document quite well. ->> - ->> -By the way, I've not yet put formal minutes of the last meetings on the ->> -wiki. From my recallings, here they are (please double check the list of ->> -participants, I remember that there was at least another person from the ->> -University of Virginia but I do not remember the name): ->> - ->> ----------- ->> - ->> -Teleconference on 2009-05-13, 04:00 CET ->> - ->> -Presents: ->> - ->> -- Andrew Grimshaw ->> -- Aleksandr Konstantinov ->> -- Moreno Marzolla ->> -- Morris Riedel ->> -- Etienne Urbah ->> -- David Wallom ->> - ->> -Apologies: ->> - ->> -- Johannes Watzl ->> - ->> -Discussion: ->> - ->> -- Andrew illustrated in detail the document "GES realization via ->> -existing specifications" http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15630?nav=1 ->> -(version 1). ->> - ->> -- The discussion pinpointed some requirements (from the "Execution ->> -Service Strawman" document "http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15590?nav=1 ) ->> -which are not clear enough. In particular, the requirement of "support ->> -for parallel jobs" should be clarified (e.g., state clearly what is ->> -intended by "parallel job"). ->> - ->> -- David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep extension" draft as ->> -it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily different jobs (for the ->> -requirement of bulk job submission to the execution service, which is a ->> -feature currently not supported). ->> - ->> ----------- ->> - ->> -Moreno. ->> - ->> --- ->> -Moreno Marzolla ->> -INFN Sezione di Padova, via Marzolo 8, 35131 PADOVA, Italy ->> -EMail: moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it Phone: +39 049 8277103 ->> -WWW : http://www.dsi.unive.it/~marzolla Fax : +39 049 8756233 -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Pgi-wg mailing list -> Pgi-wg@ogf.org -> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg
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-It is being implemented by OMII-UK
------Original Message----- -From: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of -Steve Crouch -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:58 PM -To: pgi-wg@ogf.org -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document - -Hi, - -OMII-UK's intent is to support this within GridSAM. As of today, we -haven't commissioned anybody or committed our own effort, but we're -currently looking into ways we could support this work. - -Cheers -Steve Crouch - --- -Dr Stephen Crouch, -Software Architect, -OMII-UK, -Electronics and Computer Science, -Room 4067, Level 4, Building 32, -University of Southampton, -Highfield, Southampton SO17 1BJ -Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 8787 EMail: s.crouch@omii.ac.uk -Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 3045 WWW: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~stc - -Morris Riedel wrote: -> ..as part of Grid-SAM? -> -> ------------------------------------------------------------ -> Morris Riedel -> SW - Engineer -> Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division -> Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) -> Forschungszentrum Juelich -> Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 -> D - 52425 Juelich -> Germany -> -> Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de -> Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -> Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 -> Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 -> -> Skype: MorrisRiedel -> -> "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" -> -> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich -> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 -> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe -> Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), -> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) -> -> ->> ------Original Message----- ->> -From: David Wallom [mailto:david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] ->> -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:38 PM ->> -To: Morris Riedel; 'Moreno Marzolla' ->> -Cc: Steven Newhouse; pgi-wg@ogf.org ->> -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document ->> - ->> -It is being implemented by OMII-UK ->> - ->> -David ->> - ->> - ->> -On 20/05/2009 12:30, "Morris Riedel" <m.riedel@fz-juelich.de> wrote: ->> - ->> -> Hi team, ->> -> ->> ->> - David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep ->> ->> -extension" draft as it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily ->> ->> -different jobs (for the requirement of bulk job submission to the ->> ->> -execution service, which is a feature currently not supported). ->> -> ->> -> FYI: I did an excerpt of this standard yesterday, I put it on gridforge -> for ->> -> those that seek a short insight: ->> -> ->> -> -> http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/doc ->> -> man.root.input_documents.execution_service/doc15635 ->> -> ->> -> ->> -> So far, it looks like a reasonable good emerging standard lacking ->> -> implementations I guess - but yet another JSDL extension... :-) ->> -> ->> -> Take care, ->> -> Morris ->> -> ->> -> ->> -> ->> -> ------------------------------------------------------------ ->> -> Morris Riedel ->> -> SW - Engineer ->> -> Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division ->> -> Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) ->> -> Forschungszentrum Juelich ->> -> Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 ->> -> D - 52425 Juelich ->> -> Germany ->> -> ->> -> Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de ->> -> Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel ->> -> Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 ->> -> Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 ->> -> ->> -> Skype: MorrisRiedel ->> -> ->> -> "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" ->> -> ->> -> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich ->> -> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 ->> -> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe ->> -> Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), ->> -> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) ->> -> ->> -> ->> ->> ------Original Message----- ->> ->> -From: Moreno Marzolla [mailto:moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it] ->> ->> -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:52 AM ->> ->> -To: Morris Riedel ->> ->> -Cc: 'Balazs Konya'; 'Steven Newhouse'; pgi-wg@ogf.org ->> ->> -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document ->> ->> - ->> ->> -Morris Riedel wrote: ->> ->> -> Hi team, ->> ->> -> ->> ->> ->> and had not seen any comment to Andrew¹s document? ->> ->> -> ->> ->> ->> - I haven't seen any real comments to the GES rendering document ->> -> either. ->> ->> -> ->> ->> -> Yeah that was my idea with the factsheet, which had the views of -> both ->> ->> -> documents merged - but this was ignored and now we have again our -> two ->> ->> -> fronts... ->> ->> - ->> ->> -We will *always* have the two front, but I'll give my views later -> during ->> ->> -the teleconference. ->> ->> -Anyway I should point out that during the last call there was no time ->> ->> -left to discuss anything else, which in my opinion was fine anyway ->> ->> -because we had the opportunity to understand the "GES realization via ->> ->> -existing specification" document quite well. ->> ->> - ->> ->> -By the way, I've not yet put formal minutes of the last meetings on -> the ->> ->> -wiki. From my recallings, here they are (please double check the
-> of ->> ->> -participants, I remember that there was at least another person from -> the ->> ->> -University of Virginia but I do not remember the name): ->> ->> - ->> ->> ----------- ->> ->> - ->> ->> -Teleconference on 2009-05-13, 04:00 CET ->> ->> - ->> ->> -Presents: ->> ->> - ->> ->> -- Andrew Grimshaw ->> ->> -- Aleksandr Konstantinov ->> ->> -- Moreno Marzolla ->> ->> -- Morris Riedel ->> ->> -- Etienne Urbah ->> ->> -- David Wallom ->> ->> - ->> ->> -Apologies: ->> ->> - ->> ->> -- Johannes Watzl ->> ->> - ->> ->> -Discussion: ->> ->> - ->> ->> -- Andrew illustrated in detail the document "GES realization via ->> ->> -existing specifications" http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15630?nav=1 ->> ->> -(version 1). ->> ->> - ->> ->> -- The discussion pinpointed some requirements (from the "Execution ->> ->> -Service Strawman" document "http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15590?nav=1 -> ) ->> ->> -which are not clear enough. In particular, the requirement of "support ->> ->> -for parallel jobs" should be clarified (e.g., state clearly what is ->> ->> -intended by "parallel job"). ->> ->> - ->> ->> -- David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep extension" draft -> as ->> ->> -it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily different jobs (for
...what leads to "It is planned for being implemented by OMII-UK" .. I already circulated the spec around here to see whether some UNICORE folks are keen going for it... ;-) Thanks for the info Steve, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) list the
->> ->> -requirement of bulk job submission to the execution service, which is -> a ->> ->> -feature currently not supported). ->> ->> - ->> ->> ----------- ->> ->> - ->> ->> -Moreno. ->> ->> - ->> ->> --- ->> ->> -Moreno Marzolla ->> ->> -INFN Sezione di Padova, via Marzolo 8, 35131 PADOVA, Italy ->> ->> -EMail: moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it Phone: +39 049 8277103 ->> ->> -WWW : http://www.dsi.unive.it/~marzolla Fax : +39 049 8756233 ->> -> ->> -> _______________________________________________ ->> -> Pgi-wg mailing list ->> -> Pgi-wg@ogf.org ->> -> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg -> -> -> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Pgi-wg mailing list -> Pgi-wg@ogf.org -> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg - --- -Dr Stephen Crouch, -Software Architect, -OMII-UK, -Electronics and Computer Science, -Room 4067, Level 4, Building 32, -University of Southampton, -Highfield, Southampton SO17 1BJ -Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 8787 EMail: s.crouch@omii.ac.uk -Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 3045 WWW: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~stc - - -_______________________________________________ -Pgi-wg mailing list -Pgi-wg@ogf.org -http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg
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