Team, further work with white flags between the fronts... Since fronts 1 and 2 coming closer I thought about the question what we really keep from BES vs. what we have to do new, here some thoughts taking the document from both fronts into account: ### BES portType level - BES-Factory #Keep portType to create activities #Re-define operation CreateActivity with new in-out-fault-elements ### BES portType level - BES-Activity #Keep portType to modify single activities (instead of using factory portType) #Add operations to modify single(vector) activities ### BES portType level - BES-Management #remove portType ### BES State Model #Add our proposed manual data-staging requirements that affect the states #Use GLUE2 syntax to describe it - but define new values for our additional states ### Information Model #Use GLUE2 instead #But definition of allowed values for GLUE2 structures #deprecate old information schemas (e.g. FactoryAttributes) #find ways to scale with outcome of available activities (e.g. EPR list) ### Resource Model #only WS-I I guess # no WS-RF agreement (or other profiles) Please correct/add if I'm somewhere wrong... Some thoughts, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

------Original Message----- -From: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of -Morris Riedel -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:18 PM -To: 'Oxana Smirnova'; pgi-wg@ogf.org -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document - -Yeah, - - I agree on this one document Oxana - but with obviously two fronts already -established it's hard to agree on one and that's why I proposed to have this factsheet -approach with both voices in it per item/operation - but this is not what the group -wants obviously... :-) - - -However, just that we are all sure that we have these fronts as follows: - - -Front 1 -Keeping BES/JSDL nearly as is and try to fit / squeeze solutions for the requirements -in it or put them close to them (e.g. modify portType operations already existing). - - -Front 2 -Taking bits and pieces from BES/JSDL where it makes sense (w/o structures), but -define a new structure (e.g. new portType operations) by still referencing to the origin -in the respective source documents. - - -Realistically, both fronts mean no backwards compatibility to a BES 1.0. - - -Since the beginning it was 'start from scratch vs. not changing old elements'. - - -Now, we have Front 1 willing to change views towards changing a few standard -elements and Front 2 willing to keep elements (at least w/o structure) from good -elements of the standard by creating a new structure. - - -This already means we getting closer together over time - so I'm looking forward to -further discussions today. - - -End of the philosophical work, -Morris - - ------------------------------------------------------------- -Morris Riedel -SW - Engineer -Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre -(JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich -Germany - -Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de -Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 -Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 - -Skype: MorrisRiedel - -"We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" - -Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich -Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende -des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe -Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. -Vorsitzender) - - ->------Original Message----- ->-From: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of ->-Oxana Smirnova ->-Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:55 PM ->-To: pgi-wg@ogf.org ->-Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document ->- ->-Hi, ->- ->-20.05.2009 13:36, Morris Riedel пишет: ->-> Hi, ->-> ->->> - We will *always* have the two front, ... ->-> ->-> ... we shouldn't - in the end, all we want is interoperability and I hope we ->-> still can get consensus that makes sense and not drift off like in an ->-> IDL-like thinking where solutions come up that are not interoperable at ->-> all... ->-> ->- ->-Precisely, and to avoid two or three or N fronts, we must establish a ->-procedure. When a document is circulated for comments or additions, ->-these comments/additions should be attached/included to the circulated ->-document. They must not come in form of another document that in turns ->-demands a separate round of comments. ->- ->-So, let's take one document at a time, and let's formalize a bit the way ->-comments are submitted. Specifically, I find it convenient when comments ->-are in-line, and additions/corrections are inserted with tracing of ->-changes switched on. This will hopefully prevent opening new fronts. I ->-do not want to merge two or three or N documents, I want to finish work ->-on ONE document first. ->- ->-Cheers, ->-Oxana ->-_______________________________________________ ->-Pgi-wg mailing list ->-Pgi-wg@ogf.org ->-http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg