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PGI call, 15 April 2010, notes
by Johannes Watzl 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Participants: Morris, Balazs, Emmanouil, Etienne, Andrew, Johannes, Luigi, Mark, Steve Crouch (a) Review notes from previous meeting going through Morris and Balazs will suggest some strategies for requirements selection (b) Discuss cost-based phone conference facilities (FZJ, POWWOW, etc.) set up a service which is not free calling in let us temporarily use the FZJ tool (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup(!), etc. Morris: discuss the process first - before the agenda huge list of requirements lot of requriements came from Etienne. Balazs and Morris should discuss with Etienne to refine and group the requirements first decisions if relevant or postponed Andrew: initial suggestions which to postpone? Morris: first make Etiennes requirments more more common put them on a separate page if there are objections put them back in the original list -> hava decrease of the number of requirements to have a faster process in Amsterdam Andrew: This is fine - everybody should be able to go through and nothing should disappear Morris: identify the groupings with Etienne get it in an excel sheet - clean overview deprecated or postponed on a special wiki page to everybody to argue if they should be really postponed everybody agrees Andrew: timeline for the three of you get together? Morris: Wednesday morning? Etienne is available Morris: everybody during next weeks call should be able to have a look at the list on wednesday evening or during the call ready list end of next week Andrew: anybody from IGE, Globus Emmanouil: not member of IGE, but from Globus at LRZ - will talk to Helmut Steve will be in Amsterdam Morris: have the excel sheet at the next call will point to the wiki page to edit the statements clarify the understanding in the Amsterdam meeting seems to be necessary step to close the requirmenets collection after Amsterdam Amsterdam meeting is the deadline for requirements collection? Anybody against? everybody agreed! repeat the steps: 1. Balazs, Morris, Etienne - go through the wiki page, find duplicates, groupiong 2. deprecated to another wiki page 3. put it in the excel sheet - available before next call - condensed set of requirements. discuss at the call 4. until Amsterdam -- everybody should point out which requirements are understood and which not outcome of Amsterdam: have the requrirments collection closed to be able to make strawman documents Etienne: sent a mail with the first list of requirements which need clarification (d) Continue work on requirements Morris: does not make sens - wait for the condensed list next week Balazs: start time for Amsterdam meeting? Morris: 9am everybody agreed Morris: something more to discuss? spend time what to do after Amsterdam etc. go through the requirements is the most important thing in Amsterdam try to stick shortly to the requirements - no grouping of the people set requirements in stone close the meeting the second day at 6pm ok for everyone stop between 5 and 6 (e) AOB -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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OGF PGI : Requirements Wiki - Pages associated to each requirement
by Etienne URBAH 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Balazs, Morris, Luigi, Johannes and all, Inside the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Require… : I have performed following work : - For each requirements of the NF 'Non-functional' section, I have created a Wiki page containing the requirement, my explanations, remarks and feelings. Please add your own explanations, remarks and feelings. - I will perform the same work for the AR 'Application Repository' and LB 'Logging and Bookkeeping' sections. - Please begin the same work for the other sections (clicking on a red underlined requirement number automatically creates an adequate empty wiki page). I am available for further information and help. Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -----------------------------------------------------

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Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-15; 3:30 pm CET
by Morris Riedel 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi folks, today will be a PGI telcon: (1) The Skype service is unfortunately not anymore available, but we can talk via the DFN screen-sharing tool until we find an alternative. (2) Screen-Sharing: http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. (3) Proposed agenda: (a) Review notes from previous meeting (b) Discuss cost-based phone conference facilities (FZJ, POWWOW, etc.) (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup(!), etc. (d) Continue work on requirements (e) AOB High participation is appreciated. Please don't hesitate to add elements to the agenda. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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Reminder: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration
by Morris Riedel 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

All, a short reminder to register for the meeting at: https://www.egi.eu/indico/confRegistrationFormDisplay.py?confId=25 >- Morris, would it be possible to display the list of registered participants on the meeting's indico page? Done - the list of registered folks (9) can be found at: >- https://www.egi.eu/indico/confRegistrantsDisplay.py/list?confId=25 The agenda setting will be part of tomorrow's call. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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Call for Agenda Items for Amsterdam
by Morris Riedel 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Hi team, back after eastern it is time to discuss our Amsterdam meeting and some preparations of it. I'm discussing agenda elements with Balazs via e-mail, but also I would like to ask the group for specific topics that should be addressed. So far we have: (1) Process Review and Status (2) Requirements clarification, setting and tuning. (3) Next Steps Please don't hesitate to propose additional items for the agenda. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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Re: [Pgi-wg] REMINDER: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration & Travel Information
by Oxana Smirnova 10 Apr '10

10 Apr '10

Hi Morris, I'd like to contribute to the meeting, but it will be physically impossible for me to show up in Amsterdam on these dates. I thus will appreciate very much if EGI can organize a video link for this important meeting. I believe it will also increase the number of participants and improve the outcome. Cheers, Oxana Morris Riedel пишет: > Hi folks, > > > a little reminder to register for the meeting at: > https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 > > > Travel information for reaching the venue (NIKHEF building, Room H331) can > be obtained here: > https://www.nikhef.nl/en/about-nikhef/contact/how-to-reach-nikhef/ > > > Information about hotels in the area are listed here: > http://www.egi.eu/about/events/hotels.html > > > More about the agenda will be discussed today during the telcon! > > Your co-chair, > Morris > > >> -- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> -- Von: Morris Riedel [mailto:m.riedel@fz-juelich.de] >> -- Gesendet: Montag, 22. März 2010 11:47 >> -- An: 'pgi-wg(a)ogf.org'; 'gin(a)ogf.org' >> -- Betreff: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration >> -- >> -- Hi folks, >> -- >> -- I created a meeting page for our F2F meeting in Amsterdam: >> -- >> -- https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 >> -- >> -- >> -- Please register to the event ASAP and specify your mac address in the >> -- corresponding field in order to obtain wifi access during the meeting. >> -- >> -- A high participation from PGI members is very much appreciated! >> -- >> -- More information about hotels, etc. will follow soon. >> -- >> -- >> -- Finally, please don't hesitate to contact me for any further question >> -- related to the meeting! >> -- >> -- >> -- Your co-chair, >> -- Morris >> -- >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- Morris Riedel >> -- Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >> -- >> -- Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >> -- Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >> -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg

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No TelCon Today
by Riedel, Morris 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Hi folks, unfortunately I'm travelling today and Balazs is still on vacation. I'm sorry, but today their will be thus no telcon. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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PGI call 1 Apr 2010, Notes
by Johannes Watzl 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

participants: Morris, Aleksandr, Balazs, David Wallom, Etienne,Ilya Saverchenko, Johannes, Luigi, Mark Morgan, Oxana, Steve Brewer Agenda: (a) Intensive discussions how we can make progress with the requirements w/o telcons Morris: outcome of workshop at OGF28: huge list of requirements how to refine this list? comments? Balazs: requirement collection open til 1 May Morris: have the requirements ready in May for strawman creation devide requirements to different groups to work in parallel -> more progress Balazs: on a group level? Morris: not agreement refinement and check if in scope but not agreements in small groups Oxana: maybe close the requirements collection before the f2f in Amsterdam Morris: speedup the decision making progress check for similarities and duplicates there must be people looking at this few people look at this - make comments to the list if duplicate Oxana: if done in serial manner: 16 full working days it has to be done in parallel Morris: 208 requirements few people looking at them without changing them comment: might be duplicate: comment next telcon: together confirm thoughts, comments maybe 20% duplicate decrease the number for f2f meeting Balazs: Etienne should go through his to check with the newly added from Munich f2f Etienne: not found much duplicates found some not really understandable ie. JM16 ?? Balazs: postponed Morris: overlaps? some things are wrongly written, duplicate Etienne: different meanings in different services Morris: good to add categories another distingtion? Etienne: very important requirement for one person must not be important for others group togehter most important important check with others Morris: create a wiki page divide the 208 among us of course there are different views Etienne: each one should go through all requirements and mark if not understood or missing information much less discussion on the requirements marked as clear Luigi: we need an extension of the wikipage: column for each participant check one of three options: agree, reject, need more information Morris: not a decision process just to mark if clear maybe have two options: ok, need more info three sentences on the wiki page from the requirement creator if need more info is checked David: one "more info" is enough to need explanation Morris: for document we will need the three sentences Balazs: at OGF28 agreed there will be no document David: final outcome will be document Balazs: no, was agreed Morris: we will not discuss 50% of the list at the workshop Balazs: not needing an extra column sequentional numbering column with category Morris: putting a question Steve Brewer: agree with Balazs, divide functional, non functional Morris: potentionally different experst working on this from UNICORE information service: shiraz job management: shavaz speed up with going parallel through the list Oxana: separate wikipages? Morris: tough to edit Etienne: can do this Morris: we have to agree first Etienne: when separating, need to be able to discuss riquirements concerning the same subject Morris: we need the grouping Balazs: use area column as grouping Etienne: here you need index, this is not a database, you cannot sort by the area field Morris: good statement David: would go with Oxana's idea because usability issues Morris: votings for separate areas on separate wiki page Balazs: worst platform to work collaborately Morris: split Etienne splits in different wikis review it at next telcon Etienne: if using the link at the left to add comments in separate wikipage - no need to all edit the same wiki page think can keep it like that Balazs: please introduce sequentional numbering Morris: why? Balazs: if moving no renumbering Oxana: will renumbered when moved any experience with other groups? Morris: not so much requirements Balazs: in GLUE flat list in the tracker Morris: we have requirements in the wiki Oxana: tracker? Morris: point people to specific sections non functional areas: Etienne information services: Balazs (no - not during next week) Shiraz security: Morris application repository: Etienne accounting, logging and book keeping: Luigi (problem during next week) job management: Mark Morris: support understanding room of decreasing the amount of them Balazs: next iteration will be writing text to explain requirements Oxana: three sentences is not yes or no, we cannot fix it Morris: just for understanding Oxana: explanation should be added by requirement contributor Morris: Etienne? not the only guy needing Balazs: goal to have a common understanding just make the things more clear for somebody not understanding Morris: create the wiki page for those who need more information David: needs clarifications Etienne: put the name and why not understood Morris: have to go should not discuss again about items already agreed continue over email ____ (b) Easter vacation problem mitigation (e.g. Balazs away until 12.4.) (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup, etc. (d) Discussions about a new telcon tool (possibly funded via EMI similar like the previous one maybe) (e) AOB -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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PGI session notes
by Johannes Watzl 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

Dear all, see attached the notes from toeday's PGI sessions. Please send your comments to the list. Best, Johannes -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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REMINDER: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration & Travel Information
by Morris Riedel 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

Hi folks, a little reminder to register for the meeting at: https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 Travel information for reaching the venue (NIKHEF building, Room H331) can be obtained here: https://www.nikhef.nl/en/about-nikhef/contact/how-to-reach-nikhef/ Information about hotels in the area are listed here: http://www.egi.eu/about/events/hotels.html More about the agenda will be discussed today during the telcon! Your co-chair, Morris >-- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >-- Von: Morris Riedel [mailto:m.riedel@fz-juelich.de] >-- Gesendet: Montag, 22. März 2010 11:47 >-- An: 'pgi-wg(a)ogf.org'; 'gin(a)ogf.org' >-- Betreff: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration >-- >-- Hi folks, >-- >-- I created a meeting page for our F2F meeting in Amsterdam: >-- >-- https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 >-- >-- >-- Please register to the event ASAP and specify your mac address in the >-- corresponding field in order to obtain wifi access during the meeting. >-- >-- A high participation from PGI members is very much appreciated! >-- >-- More information about hotels, etc. will follow soon. >-- >-- >-- Finally, please don't hesitate to contact me for any further question >-- related to the meeting! >-- >-- >-- Your co-chair, >-- Morris >-- >-- ------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Morris Riedel >-- Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >-- >-- Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >-- Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >--

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