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Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Use Case Document: FINAL CALL for Group Comments
by Etienne URBAH 07 Oct '10

07 Oct '10

Morris, Johannes and all, I am not certain that the SourceForge Engine has sent following information to any other PGI member than myself, so I am sending it directly : I have submitted following review on the PGI Use Case Document, with 'PGI-Use-Cases-Review-Etienne.doc' available at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/sfmain/do/downloadAttachment/projects.pgi-wg/… : Congratulation to Morris and Johannes for having achieved to collect these Use Cases on Distributed Data Processing (Grids). Concerning the Use Cases presented by EDGI (chapters 5, 6 and 7), I have directly : - added, inside 'Use Case Situation Analysis', the list of relevant official or de facto standards. - made cosmetic formatting changes. For the other chapters, I have inserted comments were needed. The most important ones are : - What are the software skills of users : Developers of the application which they use; Advanced users of the application; Users of a scientific grid portal or a workflow engine to launch something they do NOT know at all, but which should give them back useful scientific results; … ? - Please provide the detailed sequence of interactions between the users and the Grid infrastructure. Preconditions, triggers and postconditions are also useful. - Which parts of the scheduling are performed by the user, and which parts are performed by the Grid middleware (matching user requirements with resource capabilities) ? - Please provide precise description of resources which are the boundaries of the Grid infrastructure(s), and whose interfaces are used by the Use Case. - Is this really a requirement on Grid middleware, or rather a requirement on the Workflow engine ? I have also updated the properties of the MS-Word document. To view the submitted review, visit http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/docr1214 Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 04/10/2010 23:42, Morris Riedel wrote: > Dear PGI team, > > the latest-greatest use case document (13 use cases, 43 pages) can be found in GridForge: > http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/do… > > If you have final comments please let me have them by Wednesday, > 2010-10-06 (end of the day). > > We already have given group members a long time to comment on the > use cases via our review process, telcons or via the mailing list, > so I don't expect any major changes. > > If any comments are minor (e.g. typos, formatting, minor wordsmithing) > I'll incorporate them and submit the document to the OGF editor on > Thursday morning. > > If I receive more serious comments I'll discuss with Johannes to > schedule time in our telcon this week, at which we'll agree either > to address them before publication or to create trackers/todo's and > defer them to a next version of the use case document. > > > Finally, I would like to thank the members of the PGI working group > for their great work in contributing with their use cases. > > > Your co-chair, > Morris > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Morris Riedel > Deputy Division Leader > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon 2010-10-07; 3:30 pm CET
by Oxana Smirnova 06 Oct '10

06 Oct '10

Hi Morris, this is a good idea, let's go for it! Cheers, Oxana 07.10.2010 0:16, Morris Riedel пишет: > Hi Oxana, > > I understand your issue and thanks for letting me know. > > In fact, what about a dedicated ARC slot in terms of job descriptions at a special time during 15:30 and 16:30, e.g. 16:00-16:15 purely discussion of the ARC use case?! > > How does this sound? > > Thanks, > Morris > >> -- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> -- Von: pgi-wg-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] Im Auftrag von Oxana Smirnova >> -- Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2010 00:14 >> -- An: pgi-wg(a)ogf.org >> -- Betreff: Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder& Agenda: PGI Telcon 2010-10-07; 3:30 pm CET >> -- >> -- Hi Morris, all, >> -- >> -- there probably will be nobody from ARC at the meeting, as we're having a technical workshop, which is very >> -- unlikely to end by 15:30 CET. If it's absolutely necessary to have some ARC representation, please let us know, >> -- we'll try to arrange a longer coffee break ;-) >> -- >> -- Cheers, >> -- Oxana >> -- >> -- >> -- 06.10.2010 23:24, Morris Riedel пишет: >> -- > Dear PGI team, >> -- > >> -- > just a gentle reminder about our usual telcon. >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > (1) >> -- > Telcon-System and Screen-Sharing >> -- > >> -- > http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ >> -- > >> -- > No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > (2) >> -- > Proposed agenda: >> -- > >> -- > (a) >> -- > Debrief notes from the last meeting >> -- > >> -- > Reminder for use case/requirements presenters at OGF30! >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > (b) >> -- > Status: PGI Use Cases Document - Debrief Comments and Editor submission >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > (c) >> -- > Discussions on job descriptions based on use cases >> -- > >> -- > Preparation and prioritization for specification& OGF30 presentations. >> -- > >> -- > (d) >> -- > AOB >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > Please feel free to add any other topic on the agenda that I may have >> -- > missed. >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > Your co-chair, >> -- > Morris >> -- > >> -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- > Morris Riedel >> -- > Deputy Division Leader >> -- > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >> -- > >> -- > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >> -- > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > >> -- > _______________________________________________ >> -- > Pgi-wg mailing list >> -- > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org >> -- > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon 2010-10-07; 3:30 pm CET
by Oxana Smirnova 06 Oct '10

06 Oct '10

Hi Morris, all, there probably will be nobody from ARC at the meeting, as we're having a technical workshop, which is very unlikely to end by 15:30 CET. If it's absolutely necessary to have some ARC representation, please let us know, we'll try to arrange a longer coffee break ;-) Cheers, Oxana 06.10.2010 23:24, Morris Riedel пишет: > Dear PGI team, > > just a gentle reminder about our usual telcon. > > > (1) > Telcon-System and Screen-Sharing > > http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ > > No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. > > > > (2) > Proposed agenda: > > (a) > Debrief notes from the last meeting > > Reminder for use case/requirements presenters at OGF30! > > > (b) > Status: PGI Use Cases Document - Debrief Comments and Editor submission > > > (c) > Discussions on job descriptions based on use cases > > Preparation and prioritization for specification& OGF30 presentations. > > (d) > AOB > > > Please feel free to add any other topic on the agenda that I may have > missed. > > > Your co-chair, > Morris > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Morris Riedel > Deputy Division Leader > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg

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Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon 2010-10-07; 3:30 pm CET
by Morris Riedel 06 Oct '10

06 Oct '10

Dear PGI team, just a gentle reminder about our usual telcon. (1) Telcon-System and Screen-Sharing http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. (2) Proposed agenda: (a) Debrief notes from the last meeting Reminder for use case/requirements presenters at OGF30! (b) Status: PGI Use Cases Document - Debrief Comments and Editor submission (c) Discussions on job descriptions based on use cases Preparation and prioritization for specification & OGF30 presentations. (d) AOB Please feel free to add any other topic on the agenda that I may have missed. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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PGI Use Case Document: FINAL CALL for Group Comments
by Morris Riedel 04 Oct '10

04 Oct '10

Dear PGI team, the latest-greatest use case document (13 use cases, 43 pages) can be found in GridForge: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/do… If you have final comments please let me have them by Wednesday, 2010-10-06 (end of the day). We already have given group members a long time to comment on the use cases via our review process, telcons or via the mailing list, so I don't expect any major changes. If any comments are minor (e.g. typos, formatting, minor wordsmithing) I'll incorporate them and submit the document to the OGF editor on Thursday morning. If I receive more serious comments I'll discuss with Johannes to schedule time in our telcon this week, at which we'll agree either to address them before publication or to create trackers/todo's and defer them to a next version of the use case document. Finally, I would like to thank the members of the PGI working group for their great work in contributing with their use cases. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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ARC Use Case updated
by Oxana Smirnova 03 Oct '10

03 Oct '10

Hi all, I uploaded a strongly revised version of the (now single) ARC Use Case to gridforge. With this revision, reviewers' requirements should be satisfied. Cheers, Oxana

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