March 2009 - pgi-wg - lists.ogf.org

Use case: GROMACS
by Oxana Smirnova 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi all, sorry for being somewhat late - here's my attempt at a cross-Grid use case. I learned on Thursday that practically every production Grid infrastructure has GROMACS users, so I suppose it is a very good test for our group. And many thanks to Ivan for valuable input. Cheers, Oxana -- -- Dr. Oxana Smirnova Experimental High Energy Physics, Lund University Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, SWEDEN oxana.smirnova(a)hep.lu.se http://www.hep.lu.se Tel +46-46-2227699 Mobile +46-709-224657 Fax +46-46-2224015

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Discussion about elements/priorities in the field of security
by Morris Riedel 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi PGI security folks, currently I see five major elements in terms of security related to PGI: (1) Authentication/Attribute-based Authorization (i.e. plumbings as named earlier), maybe first push-based before looking at pull-based models - although, this of course, can be discussed as well among us. (2) Agreement on Definition/Semantics/Structure of Attributes (3) Encoding of delegation restriction/constraints (4) Interface of delegation service (maybe based on subset of WS-Trust) (5) Agreement on third party credentials transportation (e.g. a delegated GridFTP proxy/SAML assertion-based access for data-staging during BES submissions) As a starting point - have I forgot something in this enumeration? If so - please answer to this thread. In terms of priorities, I would suggest to focus first on number one, but of course feel free to comment within this thread. Your co-chair, Morris P.S. I cc'ed the area director of security (David Groep) to ensure that we did not duplicate efforts done elsewhere (i.e. in the OGSA-AuthZ group). We have been in touch about a few security issues raised in GIN earlier. CIAO. ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

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Security Discussions about the PGI Profile on Secure Communication
by Morris Riedel 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi PGI team, as stated in the last TelCon on Friday - we agreed to start different E-Mail Threads. Some of you know that I'm slightly personally against e-mail discussions on mailing lists about technical details, basically because... ... "After all is said and done - more is said than done" - thousands of emails - no precise writings/outputs... However, as the group agreed to this approach, I would like to start the discussion here in this thread about the following document: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/doc man.root.drafts/doc15575 PGI-WG Profile on Secure Communication Strawman version 0.3, March 3, 2009 Duane Merrill, University of Virginia I would like to encourage people to read the document and comment on the mailing list. We will discuss it on Friday, so a good preparation by every participant is crucial. Discussing via E-Mails about it might be good preparation. Your co-chair, Morris P.S. @Steven: Clearly I didn't want to grab EGEE staff for PGI - but Valerio (CC) is an old friend of mine that has a lot of knowledge in the field we are working in terms of security. Of course, its your decision who works in PGI, but he should be aware that we discussing about these things. CIAO. ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Input for PGI Roadmap Document about Virginia CampusGrid
by David Wallom 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hello Morris, But you are missing out the unquantified level of funding for the UMD to which gLite/ARC/UNICORE will certainly have access. David On 17/03/2009 09:54, "Morris Riedel" <m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de> wrote: > Hi Andrew, Duane, > > I know much about DEISA, EGEE, NorduGrid, and more recently also EDGES, > because they have contributed within GIN - but in terms of the > GENESIS-II-based production Campus Grid - I would rather like to have some > background information for the PGI roadmap document: > > (1) > How many users are approximately using the infrastructure daily. > > > (2) > Which codes are running on which platforms, e.g. CFD codes on parallel > machines, or rather docking tools for 'embarassingly parallel' PC pool jobs? > > > (3) > Which kind of resources are interconnected - which kind of HPC/HTC resources > are part of the Virginia Campus Grid infrastructure? > > > (4) > What is the sustainability plan of the Campus Grid in general and GENESIS-II > in particular? > > In Europe the HPC community see an evolution moving from DEISA to PRACE, > while EGEE seem to have an evolution towards an EGI. In both is limited > funding for middleware like UNICORE, gLite. The same is true for ARC that is > not only used in NorduGrid, but also in Baltic-Grid and so on. > > > I think this is also quite valuable information for the whole PGI group. > > Is there a special link to the infrastructure/GENESIS-II Website that act as > the main contact point for it? > > Many thanks for this! > > Furthermore, I would welcome you in the GIN group in order to evaluate your > application requirements for those applications that require resources in > more than one Grid. Many production Grids participate in this group (some > more or less actively/passively) - so it would nice if you join the GIN > community! > > Basically, PGI is a result of collaborations undertaken in GIN (and clear > demands by scientists that would like to use more than one Grid). > > > Your co-chair, > Morris > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Morris Riedel > SW - Engineer > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > Forschungszentrum Juelich > Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 > D - 52425 Juelich > Germany > > Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel > Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 > Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 > > Skype: MorrisRiedel > > "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich > Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 > Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe > Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), > Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg

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Input for PGI Roadmap Document about Virginia CampusGrid
by Morris Riedel 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi Andrew, Duane, I know much about DEISA, EGEE, NorduGrid, and more recently also EDGES, because they have contributed within GIN - but in terms of the GENESIS-II-based production Campus Grid - I would rather like to have some background information for the PGI roadmap document: (1) How many users are approximately using the infrastructure daily. (2) Which codes are running on which platforms, e.g. CFD codes on parallel machines, or rather docking tools for 'embarassingly parallel' PC pool jobs? (3) Which kind of resources are interconnected - which kind of HPC/HTC resources are part of the Virginia Campus Grid infrastructure? (4) What is the sustainability plan of the Campus Grid in general and GENESIS-II in particular? In Europe the HPC community see an evolution moving from DEISA to PRACE, while EGEE seem to have an evolution towards an EGI. In both is limited funding for middleware like UNICORE, gLite. The same is true for ARC that is not only used in NorduGrid, but also in Baltic-Grid and so on. I think this is also quite valuable information for the whole PGI group. Is there a special link to the infrastructure/GENESIS-II Website that act as the main contact point for it? Many thanks for this! Furthermore, I would welcome you in the GIN group in order to evaluate your application requirements for those applications that require resources in more than one Grid. Many production Grids participate in this group (some more or less actively/passively) - so it would nice if you join the GIN community! Basically, PGI is a result of collaborations undertaken in GIN (and clear demands by scientists that would like to use more than one Grid). Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

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OGF PGI and GENESIS documents
by Etienne URBAH 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

Andrew, Inside a mail dated 06 February 2009, Duane attached document 'GIICampusGridSec.doc' describing GENESIS II Security Architecture. Could you upload this document, for example inside http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.pgi-wg/docma… and send us the corresponding link ? I was also very much interested by your presentation of GENESIS II at OGF25 on Monday 02 March 2009. Could you upload this presentation, for example inside http://www.ogf.org/gf/event_schedule/index.php?id=1544 and send us the corresponding link ? Thank you in advance. Best regards. ---------------------------------- Etienne URBAH IN2P3 - LAL Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 Skype: etienne.urbah mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------

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Preparation for Security PGI TelCon on Friday 2009-03-20
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

To all PGI security experts, we today again confirmed to have a telcon on... Friday, 2009-03-20, 4 p.m. CET, as agreed on in Catania ... discussing our security elements related to the different profiles we aim to define. In order to prepare accordingly, I propose that each production infrastructure nominates (at least) one person that reviews the 0.3 version of the security strawman document that is available under Gridforge related to the security aspects: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/do… The nominated person in this context should participate in the telcon and being ready to discuss the security topic in general and the profiles from their respective infrastructure point of view in particular. As a side-remark, I would like to remind members of the group to our PGI mandate. Please note that we don't standardize elements of security that are not yet in production (or very soon in production) such as huge upcoming security architectures that may be deployed on a long-term perspective only. This can be done by other security groups within OGF since it does not support our GIN-based idea of having a short-term to mid-term interoperability between production Grids. I would like to chair this session if no one disagrees with that. The telcon numbers will be the same as usual. In parallel I would like to start a discussion thread per email about the strawman to get some thoughts on the list discussed beforehand - otherwise I fear the telcon will take much longer than one hour only. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Preparation for Computation PGI TelCon onWednesday2009-03-18
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

date correction: its of course Wednesday 2009-03-18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ----- Original Message ----- From: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Date: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:29 pm Subject: [Pgi-wg] Preparation for Computation PGI TelCon on Wednesday2009-03-18 > To all PGI computation experts, > > we today agreed to have a telcon on... > > Wednesday, 2009-03-13, 4 p.m. CET > > ... discuss our computation elements related to missing > links/refinements/tunings of OGSA-BES & JSDL et al. > > In order to prepare accordingly, I propose that each production > infrastructure nominates (at least) one person that review the > documents that are available under Gridforge related to the > computation aspects: > > http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.pgi- > wg/docman.root.input_documents.transferred > We also get a summary of these documents before Wednesday > hopefully by the UoVirginia team, but if not please have a look on > the ones within GridForge. > > The nominated person in this context should participate in the > telcon and being ready to discuss the computation topic in general > and the issues with the specifications from their respective > infrastructure point of view in particular. > > > Andrew kindly volunteered to chair this session, but if others are > interested they might chair the session as well. > > Therefore, Andrew, please provide us with the telcon numbers of > this session and with a particular agenda. > > Thanks so much, > Morris > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > Morris Riedel > SW - Engineer > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > Central Institute of Applied Mathematics > Research Centre Juelich > Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 > D - 52425 Juelich > Germany > > Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel > > Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 > Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 > > Skype: MorrisRiedel > > 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH > 52425 Juelich > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich > Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 > Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe > Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), > Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, > Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Preparation for Computation PGI TelCon on Wednesday 2009-03-18
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

To all PGI computation experts, we today agreed to have a telcon on... Wednesday, 2009-03-13, 4 p.m. CET ... discuss our computation elements related to missing links/refinements/tunings of OGSA-BES & JSDL et al. In order to prepare accordingly, I propose that each production infrastructure nominates (at least) one person that review the documents that are available under Gridforge related to the computation aspects: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.pgi-wg/docma… We also get a summary of these documents before Wednesday hopefully by the UoVirginia team, but if not please have a look on the ones within GridForge. The nominated person in this context should participate in the telcon and being ready to discuss the computation topic in general and the issues with the specifications from their respective infrastructure point of view in particular. Andrew kindly volunteered to chair this session, but if others are interested they might chair the session as well. Therefore, Andrew, please provide us with the telcon numbers of this session and with a particular agenda. Thanks so much, Morris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Reminder: PGI TelCon Today - NOW - OGF25 Debrief and Nontechnicaltelcon
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Jülich GmbH 52425 Jülich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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