OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments
Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You'll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th. Thanks! - Jem Jem Treadwell Software Engineer HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 http://www.hp.com/go/vse <http://www.hp.com/go/software>
Hello Jem, A parallel discussion on Data Service, Data Source, Data Resource is happening and we have not reached a common grounds for these definitions yet. NOTE: I am cc'ing donal and felix who were a part of those dicussions. So in my opinion this glossary cannot be finalized until we come up with agreeable definition for these terms. Thanks, Guru "Treadwell, Jem" <jem.treadwell@hp.com> wrote: Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. Youll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th. Thanks! - Jem Jem Treadwell Software Engineer HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 http://www.hp.com/go/vse hp -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg "Treadwell, Jem" <jem.treadwell@hp.com> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. Youll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th. Thanks! - Jem Jem Treadwell Software Engineer HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 http://www.hp.com/go/vse -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
Hi, Since the Data Architecture document itself has gone to public comment I see no reason to stop the Glossary from moving to that state. We can fix the definitions as part of the public comment discussion. Andreas guru prasad wrote:
Hello Jem,
A parallel discussion on Data Service, Data Source, Data Resource is happening and we have not reached a common grounds for these definitions yet.
NOTE: I am cc'ing donal and felix who were a part of those dicussions.
So in my opinion this glossary cannot be finalized until we come up with agreeable definition for these terms.
Thanks, Guru
"Treadwell, Jem" <jem.treadwell@hp.com> wrote:
Hi,
The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You’ll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th.
Thanks!
- Jem
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Sure I was more under the impression that these definitions are being finalized. BTW I am guruprasad. Andreas Savva <andreas.savva@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote: Hi, Since the Data Architecture document itself has gone to public comment I see no reason to stop the Glossary from moving to that state. We can fix the definitions as part of the public comment discussion. Andreas guru prasad wrote:
Hello Jem,
A parallel discussion on Data Service, Data Source, Data Resource is happening and we have not reached a common grounds for these definitions yet.
NOTE: I am cc'ing donal and felix who were a part of those dicussions.
So in my opinion this glossary cannot be finalized until we come up with agreeable definition for these terms.
Thanks, Guru
"Treadwell, Jem" wrote:
Hi,
The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. Youâll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th.
Thanks!
- Jem
Jem Treadwell Software Engineer
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Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. Youâll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of *Sunday, October 7^th *. Thanks! - Jem
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Guru, I am a little disappointed that you are not cc'ing the OGSA Data Working Group where this discussion would be of particular interest. It would be invaluable though, if you think there are deficiencies, in these definitions or in the OGSA Data Architecture in general for you to comment on the OGSA Data Architecture document at: http://www.ogf.org/gf/docs/?public_comment which is where these originated from. Thanks in advance, Mario On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, guru prasad wrote:
Sure I was more under the impression that these definitions are being finalized.
BTW I am guruprasad.
Andreas Savva <andreas.savva@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote: Hi,
Since the Data Architecture document itself has gone to public comment I see no reason to stop the Glossary from moving to that state. We can fix the definitions as part of the public comment discussion.
Andreas
guru prasad wrote:
Hello Jem,
A parallel discussion on Data Service, Data Source, Data Resource is happening and we have not reached a common grounds for these definitions yet.
NOTE: I am cc'ing donal and felix who were a part of those dicussions.
So in my opinion this glossary cannot be finalized until we come up with agreeable definition for these terms.
Thanks, Guru
"Treadwell, Jem" wrote:
Hi,
The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You’ll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th.
Thanks!
- Jem
Jem Treadwell Software Engineer
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Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You’ll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of *Sunday, October 7^th *. Thanks! - Jem
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Guru, thanks for your comment. Dave Berry has been keeping the definitions in the OGSA Glossary in step with the Data Architecture definitions, and in fact they are in line with the public-comment version of that document. I have a placeholder in the Glossary for a reference to the final version of the Data document, and I'll work with Dave to make sure the definitions remain in sync. It's probably helpful that we'll be a couple of weeks behind the Data doc. Thanks! - Jem Jem Treadwell Software Engineer HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 www.hp.com/go/software hp
-----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mario Antonioletti Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:21 AM To: guru prasad Cc: ogsa-d-wg@ggf.org; ogsa-wg; felixehm@mail.cern.ch Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments
Guru, I am a little disappointed that you are not cc'ing the OGSA Data Working Group where this discussion would be of particular interest. It would be invaluable though, if you think there are deficiencies, in these definitions or in the OGSA Data Architecture in general for you to comment on the OGSA Data Architecture document at:
http://www.ogf.org/gf/docs/?public_comment
which is where these originated from. Thanks in advance,
Mario
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Sure I was more under the impression that these definitions are being finalized.
BTW I am guruprasad.
Andreas Savva <andreas.savva@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote: Hi,
Since the Data Architecture document itself has gone to public comment I see no reason to stop the Glossary from moving to that state. We can fix the definitions as part of the public comment discussion.
Andreas
guru prasad wrote:
Hello Jem,
A parallel discussion on Data Service, Data Source, Data Resource is happening and we have not reached a common grounds for these definitions yet.
NOTE: I am cc'ing donal and felix who were a part of those dicussions.
So in my opinion this glossary cannot be finalized until we come up with agreeable definition for these terms.
Thanks, Guru
"Treadwell, Jem" wrote:
Hi,
The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You’ll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th.
Thanks!
- Jem
Jem Treadwell Software Engineer
HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 http://www.hp.com/go/vse
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Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You’ll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of *Sunday, October 7^th *. Thanks! - Jem
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All, Sorry for rejoining the debate in its later stages. Too many quarterly driven deliverables :o) I think I have made the comment in the past that we sometimes cause confusion by using a term that is widely used in industry more specifically or differently than within an OGSA specific context. One of these is Resource Management. This is very widely used within the context of performance management and the OGSA definition may cause confusion. Now the definition is not too bad in and of itself in that the OGSA definition is actually broader. However its use, for example in the definition of CIM could be very confusing to some. CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management, and not Resource Management in the traditional sense. Clearly it models a sub-set of what OGSA considers Resources, and in an OGSA sense may ease the management of what OGSA defines as resources, but if you ask the folks doing CIM they would not I think indicate that their model is for resource management per se. I think we must make this plain in the OGSA Glossary. Paul ________________________________ From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Treadwell, Jem Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:42 PM To: ogsa-wg Subject: [ogsa-wg] OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments Hi, The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You'll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of Sunday, October 7th. Thanks! - Jem Jem Treadwell Software Engineer HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 http://www.hp.com/go/vse <http://www.hp.com/go/software>
Hi Paul,
However its use, for example in the definition of CIM could be very confusing to some. CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management, and not Resource Management in the traditional sense.
Point taken. "CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management" is fine with me. I don't think we need new "System Management" definition since hyper-link to DMTF web site will give necessary information to readers. Jem, Ellen, and Fred: What do you think? Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:[ogsa-wg] OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments From: Strong, Paul <pstrong@ebay.com> To: Treadwell, Jem <jem.treadwell@hp.com>, ogsa-wg <ogsa-wg@ogf.org> Date: 2007/10/03 23:48
All,
Sorry for rejoining the debate in its later stages. Too many quarterly driven deliverables :o)
I think I have made the comment in the past that we sometimes cause confusion by using a term that is widely used in industry more specifically or differently than within an OGSA specific context. One of these is Resource Management. This is very widely used within the context of performance management and the OGSA definition may cause confusion. Now the definition is not too bad in and of itself in that the OGSA definition is actually broader. However its use, for example in the definition of CIM could be very confusing to some. CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management, and not Resource Management in the traditional sense. Clearly it models a sub-set of what OGSA considers Resources, and in an OGSA sense may ease the management of what OGSA defines as resources, but if you ask the folks doing CIM they would not I think indicate that their model is for resource management per se. I think we must make this plain in the OGSA Glossary.
Paul
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Hi,
The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments before submission to the OGF Editor. You’ll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of *Sunday, October 7^th *.
Thanks!
- Jem
**Jem Treadwell** Software Engineer
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-----Original Message----- From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto@jp.fujitsu.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:19 PM To: Strong, Paul Cc: Treadwell, Jem; ogsa-wg Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments
Hi Paul,
However its use, for example in the definition of CIM could be very confusing to some. CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management, and not Resource Management in the traditional sense.
Point taken.
"CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management" is fine with me.
I don't think we need new "System Management" definition since hyper-link to DMTF web site will give necessary information to readers.
Jem, Ellen, and Fred: What do you think?
Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:[ogsa-wg] OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments From: Strong, Paul <pstrong@ebay.com> To: Treadwell, Jem <jem.treadwell@hp.com>, ogsa-wg <ogsa-wg@ogf.org> Date: 2007/10/03 23:48
All,
Sorry for rejoining the debate in its later stages. Too many quarterly driven deliverables :o)
I think I have made the comment in the past that we sometimes cause confusion by using a term that is widely used in industry more specifically or differently than within an OGSA specific context. One of these is Resource Management. This is very widely used within
context of performance management and the OGSA definition may cause confusion. Now the definition is not too bad in and of itself in
Paul/Hiro, Paul, thanks for your comment... I'm happy to go with Hiro's proposal - DMTF's high level description uses the word system, and does not mention resources. I've opened tracker 6026 for this; will wait to hear from Ellen & Fred. - Jem Jem Treadwell Software Engineer HP ESS Software 856.638.6021 office | 856.638.6190 fax | jem.treadwell@hp.com 6000 Irwin Road | Mount Laurel | NJ 08054 www.hp.com/go/software hp the that
the OGSA definition is actually broader. However its use, for example in the definition of CIM could be very confusing to some. CIM is an object oriented model for supporting Systems Management, and not Resource Management in the traditional sense. Clearly it models a sub-set of what OGSA considers Resources, and in an OGSA sense may ease the management of what OGSA defines as resources, but if you ask the folks doing CIM they would not I think indicate that their model is for resource management per se. I think we must make this plain in the OGSA Glossary.
Paul
*From:* ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] *On Behalf Of *Treadwell, Jem *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:42 PM *To:* ogsa-wg *Subject:* [ogsa-wg] OGSA Glossary v1.6: Final call for comments
Hi,
The OGSA Glossary v1.6 is now available for any final comments
before
submission to the OGF Editor. You'll find a copy of the document (draft 8) at http://tinyurl.com/2t4on2. If you have comments please let me have them by the end of *Sunday, October 7^th *.
Thanks!
- Jem
**Jem Treadwell** Software Engineer
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