RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter
Hi, All the discussion I've seen about this profile so far has focussed on specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed charter says that this is only one of two areas of interest; the other being data staging. The immediate question is what link will this profile work have to the Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the profile refer to the DMIS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL and BES? (Of course, JSDL also covers data staging to some extent). Work is also continuing on the data aspects of the OGSA architecture, in the OGSA Data WG. I would encourage the HPC profile group to engage with the OGSA Data group and the DMIS group concerning how to fit data staging into the overall architecture. Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week but it would be useful if members of these groups could get together there to agree a working relationship. Best wishes, Dave. _____ From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Theimer Sent: 05 May 2006 01:48 To: ogsa-wg@ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi; Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group charter. This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the upcoming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the mean time, please feel free to comment on the draft via email to this mailing list. Thanks, Marvin.
Hi; You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job submission and not about the related need to get data from client to execution subsystem(s) and back again. But since the goal of the group is to define a profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know that we will need to tackle the topic of data staging at some point. As with JSDL and BES's relation to the job submission parts of the work, I'm hoping we will be able to substantially leverage other existing work, such as that of the data DMIS groups, as appropriate. I'll make that more explicit in the next revision of the draft charter. Thanks for pointing this matter out, Marvin. ________________________________ From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM To: Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg@ggf.org; dmis-bof@ggf.org; ogsa-d-wg@gridforum.org Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi, All the discussion I've seen about this profile so far has focussed on specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed charter says that this is only one of two areas of interest; the other being data staging. The immediate question is what link will this profile work have to the Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the profile refer to the DMIS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL and BES? (Of course, JSDL also covers data staging to some extent). Work is also continuing on the data aspects of the OGSA architecture, in the OGSA Data WG. I would encourage the HPC profile group to engage with the OGSA Data group and the DMIS group concerning how to fit data staging into the overall architecture. Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week but it would be useful if members of these groups could get together there to agree a working relationship. Best wishes, Dave. ________________________________ From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Theimer Sent: 05 May 2006 01:48 To: ogsa-wg@ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi; Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group charter. This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the upcoming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the mean time, please feel free to comment on the draft via email to this mailing list. Thanks, Marvin.
From reading most of the correspondence on this topic and from various conversations about this with various people I was wondering if we could actually launch a separate Data profile since tacking this onto the end of
Hi Marvin, the HPC profile could possibly prove limiting. I was wondering if the data discussion would be a specific part of the BOF? Regards David On 5/5/06 16:15, "Marvin Theimer" <theimer@microsoft.com> wrote:
Hi;
You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job submission and not about the related need to get data from client to execution subsystem(s) and back again. But since the goal of the group is to define a profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know that we will need to tackle the topic of data staging at some point. As with JSDL and BES¹s relation to the job submission parts of the work, I¹m hoping we will be able to substantially leverage other existing work, such as that of the data DMIS groups, as appropriate. I¹ll make that more explicit in the next revision of the draft charter.
Thanks for pointing this matter out, Marvin.
From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM To: Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg@ggf.org; dmis-bof@ggf.org; ogsa-d-wg@gridforum.org Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter
Hi,
All the discussion I've seen about this profile so far has focussed on specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed charter says that this is only one of two areas of interest; the other being data staging. The immediate question is what link will this profile work have to the Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the profile refer to the DMIS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL and BES? (Of course, JSDL also covers data staging to some extent).
Work is also continuing on the data aspects of the OGSA architecture, in the OGSA Data WG. I would encourage the HPC profile group to engage with the OGSA Data group and the DMIS group concerning how to fit data staging into the overall architecture.
Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week but it would be useful if members of these groups could get together there to agree a working relationship.
Best wishes,
Dave.
From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Theimer Sent: 05 May 2006 01:48 To: ogsa-wg@ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi;
Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group charter. This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the upcoming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the mean time, please feel free to comment on the draft via email to this mailing list.
Thanks, Marvin.
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Hi; As I've said from the beginning, I view data transfer as being something that can and should be able to stand separately. So creating a separate data profile certainly seems reasonable on first reflection. However, I would argue that the HPC profile will need to reference/incorporate that profile in some manner since and end-to-end vertical profile for HPC is meaningless without a data component to it. We should definitely discuss this issue in the BoF. Marvin. ________________________________ From: David Wallom [mailto:david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 9:55 AM To: Marvin Theimer; Dave Berry; ogsa-wg@ggf.org; dmis-bof@ggf.org; ogsa-d-wg@gridforum.org Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi Marvin,
From reading most of the correspondence on this topic and from various conversations about this with various people I was wondering if we could actually launch a separate Data profile since tacking this onto the end of the HPC profile could possibly prove limiting. I was wondering if the data discussion would be a specific part of the BOF?
Regards David On 5/5/06 16:15, "Marvin Theimer" <theimer@microsoft.com> wrote: Hi; You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job submission and not about the related need to get data from client to execution subsystem(s) and back again. But since the goal of the group is to define a profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know that we will need to tackle the topic of data staging at some point. As with JSDL and BES's relation to the job submission parts of the work, I'm hoping we will be able to substantially leverage other existing work, such as that of the data DMIS groups, as appropriate. I'll make that more explicit in the next revision of the draft charter. Thanks for pointing this matter out, Marvin. ________________________________ From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] <mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk%5d> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM To: Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg@ggf.org; dmis-bof@ggf.org; ogsa-d-wg@gridforum.org Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi, All the discussion I've seen about this profile so far has focussed on specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed charter says that this is only one of two areas of interest; the other being data staging. The immediate question is what link will this profile work have to the Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the profile refer to the DMIS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL and BES? (Of course, JSDL also covers data staging to some extent). Work is also continuing on the data aspects of the OGSA architecture, in the OGSA Data WG. I would encourage the HPC profile group to engage with the OGSA Data group and the DMIS group concerning how to fit data staging into the overall architecture. Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week but it would be useful if members of these groups could get together there to agree a working relationship. Best wishes, Dave. ________________________________ From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] <mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org%5d> On Behalf Of Marvin Theimer Sent: 05 May 2006 01:48 To: ogsa-wg@ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Hi; Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group charter. This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the upcoming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the mean time, please feel free to comment on the draft via email to this mailing list. Thanks, Marvin. -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. David Wallom Technical Manager Oxford e-Research Centre University of Oxford c/o OUCS 13 Banbury Road Oxford OX2 6NN Tel : +44 (0)1865 283378 email: david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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