Hi all,

From the telecon minutes of 20 Oct. 2004 Action: Hiro to do a first try on 'service' & 'resource' wrt the above discussion and discuss with a small group before bringing back to the call.

The attached is my draft proposal for definition of service, resource, entity, manageable resource, and manageable entity with feedbacks form Dave Snelling and Fred Maciel. My proposal is (a) Service = Web service Dave: This is OK, although some may argue that there are services of interest that are not Web Services. Fred: Agreed. We could mention that OGSA concerns only Web services, and any service that's not a Web service is not part of the OGSA framework. Hiro: Agreed that OGSA v1.0 chooses Web service as its infrastructure. But OGSA does not prohibit the other plumbing. (b) Resource = entity (= stateful resource defined by WSRF) Dave: WSRF-Resource(*) defines a resource is an entity that has the following characteristics: - It MUST be identifiable; a resource has at least one resource identifier (see Section2.2). - It MUST have a set of zero or more properties which are expressible in XML infoset. - It MAY have lifecycle. Fred: I disagree. I think that in the real world not everything in a Grid will be manageable. Suppose that you have a host that's not manageable (say, you lost the root password -- you can only run jobs on it, press the reset button if things go wrong, and nothing else). It is still an entity, but I don't think that it is a resource. I think that the word resource implies that you may not only use it but also manipulate it (monitor it, provision it or provision stuff on it, change its IP address or reboot it remotely, etc.). Hiro: Everything is "resource" but not "manageable resource." (c) Manageable resource = manageable entity (will be represented by WS-resource) Dave: WSRF-Resource(*) defines a WS-Resource is a Web service Hiro: It is tricky but OGSA does not define WS-Resource. * the URL for WSRF-Resource: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/9547/wsrf-WS- Resource-1.2-draft-01.doc Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

-----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg@gridforum.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@gridforum.org] On Behalf Of Hiro Kishimoto Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:54 PM To: 'ogsa-wg' Subject: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Nov. 17th call

Hi all,

The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on November 17th Wednesday from 5pm to 7pm (CST).

The dial-in number for Wednesday. Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815

Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://hiro.glance.net Session key: 1117 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html

1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call (orally and send your name to note taker) Telecon minutes approval (Nov. 10th, if available) Agenda bashing

2) December F2F meeting update (20 min) Meeting logistics and accommodation information; https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/2004Dec_F2F_logistics/ https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa- wg/document/2004Dec_F2F_accomodations/

3) Interested party list discussion (30 min) For both our roadmap and v1 document, we should list up key stakeholders including WG/RG/TCs, grid projects, venders. Identify their interest (high level arch - actual spec - implementation) and involvement to OGSA activity. Hiro will send out draft survey template before the call.

4) OGSA glossary update (30 min) Continue with review of glossary public comments. Last summary: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/10/msg00008.html

5) OGSA arch v1 document update (if time permit) Continue with review of v1 public comments. Last spreadsheet: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/documen/ogsa-v1-public-comments...

6) Wrap up (10 min) AOB

Nov. 22nd is EMS design team call Nov. 24th is regular call Nov. 29th is naming service design team call

<pending issues> ?) Process discussion until December F2F (?) Agenda items Design teams' deliverable and schedule Solicit attendees from related WG/RG/TCs

https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/200412_draft_agenda_ou...

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?) Roadmap document review (?)

> - Ian had some comments on the revised version and it was decided > that it would be better to have him on the call.

The version of the roadmap that came out of the Sept 1st call is on gridforge: http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/draft-ggf-ogsa-roadmap/en/2

?) GGF12 Action Items () - Andreas will send out shortly

?) Aug F2F meeting Action Item review (?)

Action: Heather to send details on the work WSDM is doing on Events. - Ravi and Andrew would like to be involved in this discussion. > Fred will keep an eye on work progress and inform the group > Andreas to send reminder to Heather again > Done

Action: Andrew to check with Data team if producing a set of notes each detailing a decision and its rationale (Architecture (AR) notes) would be appropriate to solve the 'communication' problem (what OGSA-WG has discussed and decided) > - Andrew did not receive a positive or negative response so far > - Andrew to talk with people who brought it up; this will likely > not be before GGF12.

Action: Frank to ask Ian for an MDS representative to join the Information Services design team > - Frank asked Ian; waiting for reply; will followup.

Action: Jay to talk with Ian and Hiro and form a core design team to work on dependencies at architecture level (roadmap). > - Hiro will contact Jay

Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto