Proposed agenda for July 13th call
Hi all,
The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on July 13th
Thursday from 8:30am - 10:30am (CDT).
Dial-in numbers for Thursday:
Free: +1-888-452-0308
Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505
PIN: 71815
Screen share service will be provided.
URL: http://ogsa.glance.net
Session key: 0713
See more explanation:
http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html
1) Early discussion (20 min)
Note taker assignment
Roll call
Telecon minutes approval (July 10)
- https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13651?nav=1
Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)
Agenda bashing
2) July F2F meeting update (Hiro and Andreas, 30 min)
> - Ellen has a conflict most of Monday since she has to attend a DMTF
> TC meeting. She can be available only between 8:30-10:30am on
> Monday.
> - There are only a few possibilities since many people (Jay, Dave,
> Andrew, etc) will not be available Tuesday afternoon and
> Wednesday, and there are people dialling in from Europe for the
> morning sessions.
>
> Plan is to confirm schedule on Thursday's call, including other
> logistics.
Meeting agenda for the F2F meeting.
- https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13607?nav=1
3) Basic Security Profile Public Comments review (Takuya, 30 min)
Takuya will send out proposed BSP text change before the call
4) CDDLM & EMS joint discussion (If Jun is available)
Jun will send out revised material before the call.
5) Wrap up (10 min)
AOB
<*NEXT CALL*>
July 17-20: F2F meeting in Chicago (ANL)
Telecon schedule on wiki:
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.ogsa-wg/wiki/TeleconSchedule
<*ACTION ITEMS*>
> From July 10 call
- Hiro & Andreas to look into re-arranging the F2F Monday and
Tuesday morning sessions.
> From June 29 call
- Hiro to also make any relevant updates to the Scenarios text
- Jun/Hiro to also prepare the post-deployment BLAST CDL
document
> From June 12 call
- Jun will correct the CDL XML examples written by Hiro.
> From June 8 call
- EMS team (Steven, Andreas, Donal) to review data staging scenario
(section 5 of https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13591?nav=1 )
Bring to people's attention again at the next EMS call.
(postpone until June 29)
> From May 22 call
- Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny)
to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches
(postpone until July 10)
- Waiting for Jay to get additional material
- Waiting for Marvin's proposal
--
Hiro Kishimoto
Hi all,
> - Hiro & Andreas to look into re-arranging the F2F Monday and
> Tuesday morning sessions.
Please find new session schedule proposal for Monday and Tuesday.
Tentatively, we move Info-model session from Monday afternoon to
early morning (8:30-10:20am) Monday and Tuesday. It pushes out
HPC profile session and half of BES session to Monday afternoon.
Although it is not ideal but we hope it's workable for everyone.
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13607?nav=1
Please have a look and if you find a difficulty please let us know
by email before Thursday call or join the call tomorrow.
Session owners: Please provide detailed session agenda ASAP.
I will incorporate yours into the next revision.
Thanks,
----
Hiro Kishimoto
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on July 13th
> Thursday from 8:30am - 10:30am (CDT).
>
> Dial-in numbers for Thursday:
> Free: +1-888-452-0308
> Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505
> PIN: 71815
>
> Screen share service will be provided.
> URL: http://ogsa.glance.net
> Session key: 0713
> See more explanation:
> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html
>
> 1) Early discussion (20 min)
> Note taker assignment
> Roll call
> Telecon minutes approval (July 10)
> - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13651?nav=1
> Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)
> Agenda bashing
>
> 2) July F2F meeting update (Hiro and Andreas, 30 min)
>> - Ellen has a conflict most of Monday since she has to attend a DMTF
>> TC meeting. She can be available only between 8:30-10:30am on
>> Monday.
>> - There are only a few possibilities since many people (Jay, Dave,
>> Andrew, etc) will not be available Tuesday afternoon and
>> Wednesday, and there are people dialling in from Europe for the
>> morning sessions.
>>
>> Plan is to confirm schedule on Thursday's call, including other
>> logistics.
>
> Meeting agenda for the F2F meeting.
> - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13607?nav=1
>
>
> 3) Basic Security Profile Public Comments review (Takuya, 30 min)
> Takuya will send out proposed BSP text change before the call
>
> 4) CDDLM & EMS joint discussion (If Jun is available)
> Jun will send out revised material before the call.
>
> 5) Wrap up (10 min)
> AOB
>
> <*NEXT CALL*>
> July 17-20: F2F meeting in Chicago (ANL)
>
> Telecon schedule on wiki:
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.ogsa-wg/wiki/TeleconSchedule
>
>
> <*ACTION ITEMS*>
>> From July 10 call
> - Hiro & Andreas to look into re-arranging the F2F Monday and
> Tuesday morning sessions.
>
>> From June 29 call
> - Hiro to also make any relevant updates to the Scenarios text
> - Jun/Hiro to also prepare the post-deployment BLAST CDL
> document
>
>> From June 12 call
> - Jun will correct the CDL XML examples written by Hiro.
>
>> From June 8 call
> - EMS team (Steven, Andreas, Donal) to review data staging scenario
> (section 5 of https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13591?nav=1 )
> Bring to people's attention again at the next EMS call.
> (postpone until June 29)
>
>> From May 22 call
> - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny)
> to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches
> (postpone until July 10)
> - Waiting for Jay to get additional material
> - Waiting for Marvin's proposal
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
From June 8 call
- EMS team (Steven, Andreas, Donal) to review data staging scenario (section 5 of https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13591?nav=1 ) Bring to people's attention again at the next EMS call. (postpone until June 29)
I've finally had some time to review that document. The principal things about the detailed scenario from an EMS perspective are: Service instances are chosen (including any deployment) before the commencement of the scenario. A question they don't address is whether moving the computation to the data would be better. There is a probably application-specific service to build the input data sets for the parameter space exploration. There is a need for some kind of parameter space exploration support at the job description level. The use of the phrase "results database" could be substituted with "renamed output files" and the scenario would still work. There is a post-processing phase to be applied to the output data which the scenario does not properly highlight. A more sensible structure might involve some kind of Orchestration service (e.g. based on workflows) to control the parameterized input data creation and the maintenance of a high throughput resource pool to perform the actual parameterized simulations. There are probably some interesting EMS topics relating to the maintenance of such a processing pool. In short, it's a very crude sketch. I think that what would be far more useful would be to merge this with some of the EMS scenarios to form a combined OGSA Parameter Space Exploration use-case. But that's a lot of work to do since it looks like the compute and the data people are failing to see eye-to-eye (again). Since I go on vacation tomorrow, I'll have to leave that to others. :-) As a side note (having skim-read through the rest of the data scenarios doc) I believe that some of the things I've been thinking about for the EPS spec are likely to be useful in the selection of Data-related resources. All that changes really (at the interface level) are the input request language and the candidate description language. For compute tasks JSDL is a suitable base, but I don't know if there is an equivalent common basis possible for data tasks. I suppose that's really an issue to feed back to the data people (but their section 7 reminds me a lot of things I've been working on). Another question is whether the EPS is in some sense an aspect of a Registry. Looks like we'll need to iterate this as I suspect there are a number of reusable concepts that are being independently reinvented. Hope you get the chance to pursue this at the F2F. Donal.
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Hiro Kishimoto