Notes from Use Case Workshop call
OGSA F2F User Case Requirements Workshop Telecon 13th March 2008 Attendees ========= Hiro Kishimoto Steven Newhouse Andreas Savva Andrew Grimshaw Ellen Stokes Stephen McGough (note taker) Draft proposal has gone out to the list some responses from Ravi, David Berry, Geoffrey Fox and others. Comments as to if this should come out of the Enterprise Council? Plan is to move forward with this to complement the work of the Enterprise Council. Ellen - Expand scope of paragraph 3. Place OGF in front of Community. Hiro - Openness of workshop? Do we want invite only? Steven - not planned to be a closed meeting - but don't want people wasting space (i.e. reading email). Andreas - change will to may - Attendance "may" have to be limited due to space. Ellen - Attendees should bring a use case? Steven - yes good idea - need to make the spread of use cases balanced. Try to spend time one-on-one for users and OGSA for collecting information. Andrew - We want to get new people in - not all the old ones. Need a list of people to specifically ask. Discuss later Tentative dates in email. Telecon will hopefully be available. Will questionnaire be sent out with invite? - Not time - but with acceptances. Will try and send out a call to OGF-announce and other suitable mailing lists. How to collect replies? - an OGF mail address? - Set up a mailing list redirecting to people on this call. Use case template from SAGA group. This seems too detailed and drills down too deep. Should we re-write this? Want more of the high level business model than the low level details. Andrew: Discuss list of invites. Be proactive beyond OGF mailing lists. Life sciences has been done before Go after groups like: - caGrd - NSF Cyber-Infrastructure - MITRE - NSA - Airbus - Boeing - Auto industry - Shell and Schlumberger - OSG - Mathworks (MathLab) - Financial services - Local Government Steven - we need new blood Hiro - Invite Nick Carr? Monday 17th for next call. Consolidated Actions: * Questionnaire template * Set up mailing list reflector * Andrew to contact caGrid, NSF, Boeing, NSA and Mathworks * Ellen to talk to IBM internally for contacts to customers or for prior use cases. * Steven to provide a template for the next call.
Hi folks, On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template. You can always make sections of this template optional if there is a need but it makes no sense (at least to me) duplicating the efforts. BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks - Auto and Aerospace (including Boeing), financial services, pharma etc. Without any prior recognition of these folks having already spoken/discussed with OGF in the past - OGF will only come across as a disjointed organization - enuff said. A lot of infrastructure that you are looking for is also available or under construction. I would understand if this activity was another "spoke in a wheel" but it looks like we are "reinventing the wheel". Ravi -----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Steven Newhouse Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:38 PM To: ogsa-wg@ogf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call OGSA F2F User Case Requirements Workshop Telecon 13th March 2008 Attendees ========= Hiro Kishimoto Steven Newhouse Andreas Savva Andrew Grimshaw Ellen Stokes Stephen McGough (note taker) Draft proposal has gone out to the list some responses from Ravi, David Berry, Geoffrey Fox and others. Comments as to if this should come out of the Enterprise Council? Plan is to move forward with this to complement the work of the Enterprise Council. Ellen - Expand scope of paragraph 3. Place OGF in front of Community. Hiro - Openness of workshop? Do we want invite only? Steven - not planned to be a closed meeting - but don't want people wasting space (i.e. reading email). Andreas - change will to may - Attendance "may" have to be limited due to space. Ellen - Attendees should bring a use case? Steven - yes good idea - need to make the spread of use cases balanced. Try to spend time one-on-one for users and OGSA for collecting information. Andrew - We want to get new people in - not all the old ones. Need a list of people to specifically ask. Discuss later Tentative dates in email. Telecon will hopefully be available. Will questionnaire be sent out with invite? - Not time - but with acceptances. Will try and send out a call to OGF-announce and other suitable mailing lists. How to collect replies? - an OGF mail address? - Set up a mailing list redirecting to people on this call. Use case template from SAGA group. This seems too detailed and drills down too deep. Should we re-write this? Want more of the high level business model than the low level details. Andrew: Discuss list of invites. Be proactive beyond OGF mailing lists. Life sciences has been done before Go after groups like: - caGrd - NSF Cyber-Infrastructure - MITRE - NSA - Airbus - Boeing - Auto industry - Shell and Schlumberger - OSG - Mathworks (MathLab) - Financial services - Local Government Steven - we need new blood Hiro - Invite Nick Carr? Monday 17th for next call. Consolidated Actions: * Questionnaire template * Set up mailing list reflector * Andrew to contact caGrid, NSF, Boeing, NSA and Mathworks * Ellen to talk to IBM internally for contacts to customers or for prior use cases. * Steven to provide a template for the next call. -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
A lot of infrastructure that you are looking for is also available or under construction. I would understand if this activity was another "spoke in a wheel" but it looks like we are "reinventing the wheel".
Where is it under construction? When will it be complete? It is regrettable that we have to go back to people to ask them to tell us their problem a second time. Its even more regrettable that we never did anything when they told us their problem initially! Steven
Hi:
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.egr-rg/docma n.root.usecases.template
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
For the EGR-RG cases, please look at https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.egr-rg/docma n.root.usecases Under Documents and Presentations. Unfortunately, the only people who made the attempt to put into documents are the ones I could push. ;-) Some people have also provided a document called Guideline of requirements for grid systems which EGR-RG as a group hopes to enrichen and make into an OGF Informational document. As for Enterprise Adoption tracks, I'll be interested also. :-) Best Regards & please join the EGR-RG!! Toshi (Co-chair of egr-rg with Ravi) ----- Toshiyuki Nakata 中田 登志之 Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
-----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Steven Newhouse Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:04 AM To: Subramaniam, Ravi; ogsa-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
A lot of infrastructure that you are looking for is also available or under construction. I would understand if this activity was another "spoke in a wheel" but it looks like we are "reinventing the wheel".
Where is it under construction? When will it be complete?
It is regrettable that we have to go back to people to ask them to tell us their problem a second time. Its even more regrettable that we never did anything when they told us their problem initially!
Steven -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
Some people have also provided a document called Guideline of requirements for grid systems which EGR-RG as a group hopes to enrichen and make into an OGF Informational document. Sorry forgot to put the URL:
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15117?nav=1 Best Regards Toshi ----- Toshiyuki Nakata 中田 登志之 Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
-----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Toshiyuki Nakata Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:38 AM To: 'Steven Newhouse'; 'Subramaniam, Ravi'; ogsa-wg@ogf.org; satoshi.itoh@aist.go.jp Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call
Hi:
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/project s.egr-rg/docma n.root.usecases.template
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
For the EGR-RG cases, please look at https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/project s.egr-rg/docma n.root.usecases Under Documents and Presentations.
Unfortunately, the only people who made the attempt to put into documents are the ones I could push. ;-)
Some people have also provided a document called Guideline of requirements for grid systems which EGR-RG as a group hopes to enrichen and make into an OGF Informational document.
As for Enterprise Adoption tracks, I'll be interested also. :-)
Best Regards & please join the EGR-RG!! Toshi (Co-chair of egr-rg with Ravi) ----- Toshiyuki Nakata 中田 登志之 Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
-----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Steven Newhouse Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:04 AM To: Subramaniam, Ravi; ogsa-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
A lot of infrastructure that you are looking for is also available or under construction. I would understand if this activity was another "spoke in a wheel" but it looks like we are "reinventing the wheel".
Where is it under construction? When will it be complete?
It is regrettable that we have to go back to people to ask them to tell us their problem a second time. Its even more regrettable that we never did anything when they told us their problem initially!
Steven -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
-- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
Thanks Toshi! - Ravi -----Original Message----- From: Toshiyuki Nakata [mailto:t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:45 PM To: 'Toshiyuki Nakata'; 'Steven Newhouse'; Subramaniam, Ravi; ogsa-wg@ogf.org; satoshi.itoh@aist.go.jp Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call
Some people have also provided a document called Guideline of requirements for grid systems which EGR-RG as a group hopes to enrichen and make into an OGF Informational document. Sorry forgot to put the URL:
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15117?nav=1 Best Regards Toshi ----- Toshiyuki Nakata 中田 登志之 Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
-----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Toshiyuki Nakata Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:38 AM To: 'Steven Newhouse'; 'Subramaniam, Ravi'; ogsa-wg@ogf.org; satoshi.itoh@aist.go.jp Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call
Hi:
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/project s.egr-rg/docma n.root.usecases.template
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
For the EGR-RG cases, please look at https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/project s.egr-rg/docma n.root.usecases Under Documents and Presentations.
Unfortunately, the only people who made the attempt to put into documents are the ones I could push. ;-)
Some people have also provided a document called Guideline of requirements for grid systems which EGR-RG as a group hopes to enrichen and make into an OGF Informational document.
As for Enterprise Adoption tracks, I'll be interested also. :-)
Best Regards & please join the EGR-RG!! Toshi (Co-chair of egr-rg with Ravi) ----- Toshiyuki Nakata 中田 登志之 Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
-----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Steven Newhouse Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:04 AM To: Subramaniam, Ravi; ogsa-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Notes from Use Case Workshop call
On the use case template - the EGR-RG has created a template based on the OGSA, SAGA and some other input from the a team of folks who were drafting the template.
Can you please provide a pointer to this template?
BTW: some of the list of potential attendees have attended and spoken at the Enterprise Adoption and EGR tracks
Can you please provide a pointer to the document that summarizes their needs or use cases?
A lot of infrastructure that you are looking for is also available or under construction. I would understand if this activity was another "spoke in a wheel" but it looks like we are "reinventing the wheel".
Where is it under construction? When will it be complete?
It is regrettable that we have to go back to people to ask them to tell us their problem a second time. Its even more regrettable that we never did anything when they told us their problem initially!
Steven -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
-- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg
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Steven Newhouse -
Subramaniam, Ravi -
Toshiyuki Nakata