FYI, the DAIS WG has raised the following issues with the OASIS WSRF group. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Malaika [mailto:malaika@us.ibm.com] Sent: 17 December 2004 10:21 To: dais-wg@gridforum.org; wsrf@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [dais-wg] WSRF Embodiments and DAIS The Oasis WSRF group asked the GGF DAIS working group to consider the WSRF "WSDL 1.1 Binding Element Embodiment". An item was posted to the DAIS mailing list entitled "DAIS mapping and WSRF embodiments" on 23 November 2004. There has been discussion among the DAIS community on the use of the WSRF embodiments. Some of the DAIS community involved in the discussions are the implementers of the first open source version of DAIS known as OGSA-DAI; they are the first users of DAIS; they are active in promoting DAIS among data grid communities around the world. These are some interim conclusions: 1. Multiple kinds of DAIS Users It is still not clear if DAIS should mandate WSRF because some of the participants in the DAIS group rely on non-WSRF middleware. DAIS could go some way towards satisfying WSRF and non-WSRF users by placing the resource identifier in the DAIS messages (so a single DAIS message format could be used by both WSRF and non-WSRF DAIS users). A note on resource properties: * Resource properties requests cannot include resource identifiers in the message body. The resource identifier must be placed in the header. A suggestion for the WSRF group : * It would be helpful to know if specifying a resource identifier in the DAIS messages as well as in the header is acceptable to the WSRF folk. 2. Multiple resources in a single request (see below for use cases) Currently, each DAIS service request accesses a single resource, and the resource being accessed determines the underlying resources that should be accessed too, e.g., the exposed single resource can perform resource name mappings . In this case, the WS-Resource concept may (or may not) be used to represent the exposed resources in DAIS. (depending on whether DAIS adopts WSRF) In some proposed extensions and applications of DAIS, multiple resources of different types are accessed through a single service request. It is required that the multiple resources be visible to the client. The WS-Resource concept could be used to represent a collection of resources. An identifier to represent the collection could be placed in the header, while the individual resource identifiers in the collection could appear in the message content. A note on resource properties: * Resource properties requests could result in properties for all the resources in the collection being examined. (see below for alternatives for representing the resource properties documents) A suggestion for the WSRF group : * It would be helpful to know if representing a collection of resources as a WS-Resource is a recommended use of WSRF. 3. WSRF "WSDL 1.1 Binding Element Embodiment" If DAIS does adopt WSRF then the "WSDL 1.1 Binding Element Embodiment" is helpful because it permits a client supplied resource identifier to appear in the message header (in other words the resource identifier is not opaque to the client). However note that there are client side prerequisites for the "WSDL 1.1 Binding Element Embodiment", e.g., the client software would have to know to place the resource identifiers in the right place in the header A suggestion for the WSRF group : * It would be helpful to know if there are any tools that support embodiment "WSDL 1.1 Binding Element Embodiment" ................................................................. Use Cases ......... Here are some use cases for multiple resources in a single request: U1. In an interaction with a DAIS service, many resources may be created to represent the results of requests. There may come a time when several of these resources can safely be removed. In such a setting, the options are to: U1.1. Invoke something like "remove() => EPR representing resource" for each of the resources. U1.2 Invoke something like "remove([EPR representing resource-1, ...,EPR representing resource-n]) => EPR representing service" once. How would option U1.2 be modeled through WSRF? U2. In an interaction with a DAIS service, it may be necessary to aggregate multiple results sets and return the combined result set via ftp. In such a setting, the options are to: U2.1 Invoke something like "ftp (..) => EPR for resource1" for each of the resources and then aggregate the results on the client U2.2 Invoke something like : - "aggregate ([EPR representing resource-1, ...,EPR representing resource-n]) => EPR representing service" - "ftp (..) => EPR representing aggregated resource" (the result aggregation would be done at the server.) How would option U2.2 be modeled through WSRF? (BTW it is possible that a combined aggregate and ftp operation would be desirable) U3. In an interaction with a DAIS service, it may be necessary to issue a query over multiple databases and files. In such a setting, the options are to: U3.1 Invoke something like "query (..) => EPR for resource1" for each of the resources, returning each query result to the client, and then aggregate the results on the client (the result aggregation process could be very complex.) U3.2 Invoke something like "copy (..) => EPR for resource1" for each of the resources and then issue the queries locally on the client (this means having a query engine on the client.) U3.3 Invoke something like "query([EPR representing resource-1, ...,EPR representing resource-n]) => EPR representing service" once (the query result aggregation would be done at the server.) How would option U3.3 be modeled through WSRF? Alternatives for modeling resource properties documents for U1.2, U2.2, U3.3 ........................................................................ ..... <ResourceNames> <ResourceName>resource1</> <ResourceName>resourceX</> </> Or as complex as <Resources> <Resource> <ResourceName>resource1</> <ResourceType>RDB</> <ResourceSchema>....</> </> <Resource> ... </> </> A suggestion for the WSRF group : It would be helpful to know which modeling approach is preferred Thanks to everyone who contributed and reviewed this note. Happy Happy Holiday Season :-) Susan Malaika