Hi Ian, thanks - no argument from me. I do think we need to describe each of the capabilities, but in terms of their purpose and where they fit in the architecture, not in terms of specs. But this should be balanced with a significant amount of background info, and I agree that an objective should be to help people to understand why they should care. And as the webcast will remain available for download, we need it still to be relevant a year from now. By the way, I neglected to mention the title in the abstract document, and I'm changing my own earlier suggestion to "Defining the Grid: An Introduction to OGSA" (i.e. Introduction rather than Overview). The first part comes from the title of the Roadmap doc, which seems an appropriate theme - and of course it was also the name of a GGF16 session. We could also add something about standards, but I'm more inclined to keep it short. Other suggestions welcome. - Jem ________________________________ From: Ian Foster [mailto:foster@mcs.anl.gov] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:37 PM To: Treadwell, Jem; ogsa-wg Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Webcast thoughts (abstract) Dear All: I'm concerned that a talk that focuses on the details of various specifications will not capture the imagination of the audience, especially as many of those specifications don't exist yet and/or have not been broadly adopted. I wonder if we should be thinking about a presentation that emphasizes more what this will let people do? Ian. At 12:21 PM 3/24/2006 -0500, Treadwell, Jem wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Hi, the OGSA webcast is now confirmed for Wednesday April 26th. We'll be discussing it on Monday's call and at the f2f in Sunnyvale. We plan to hold a dry run on the regular con-call on Wednesday April 19th. It will be hosted by HP; registration details to be announced. I need to provide an abstract and some other information, including speaker bios, by next Wednesday, 3/29, so we will need to finalize the abstract on Monday's call. My first draft is attached - if you have comments or suggested changes please mark them up on the document and return them to me as soon as possible, so that we can review them on the call. Please don't wait until the call, as that will inevitably prolong the discussion. Thanks! - Jem ________________________________ From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Treadwell, Jem Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:31 PM To: Andrew Grimshaw; ogsa-wg Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Webcast thoughts Hi Andrew, sorry for the delayed response... for anyone wondering what this is about, we're proposing to do a public webcast about OGSA, in the April timeframe, and will have more details once the logistics have firmed up a little more. HP will host. I've been working on the slides as a background activity, so please assume I have the pen at the moment. I agree that they need augmenting for this. I think we can set our own expectations for the audience - we can say who it's for when we advertise it. As a starting point I assume we want to pitch it in the middle - some background, but also some specifics on the capabilities and where things fit. Thoughts for an outline; some of this is already in place, of course: Background to grid and GGF, including some history & definitions Where grid is being used now, importance in the commercial world, and the future Transition to SOA & Web services - why, and what it means Standards - why they're important, a review of relevant standards and SDOs, including latest news * Some specifics about OGSA: background, some info from the Roadmap, and an explanation of profiles Details of the OGSA capabilities and closely-related work - an intro diagram and a few slides on each - high-level intro, some detailed examples, status of work - we need to agree how technical we want to get, and try to keep all at the same level. e.g.: Infrastructure Security EMS Data Resource Mgmt Info CDDLM Self mgmt WS-Agreement Naming Any others? BUT: we will have to be conscious of time: I've already listed too much if capabilities average more than 3 minutes. So this is probably overly ambitious. Although we talked earlier about a 2-hour slot, I now know it's actually 90 minutes. [We'll have 30 minutes before the start for the presenters to get online and do logistics.] So the target for the presentation should be one hour, with the remainder for Q&A. Some time will be spent on preliminaries, so Q&A will probably be down to 20 mins. We probably won't have time to do audience polls, other than maybe one at the end while Q&A is in progress. Here are a few other things we'll need to provide ahead of time: * Title of presentation (e.g. "Defining the Grid: An Overview of OGSA") * Short abstract of session * Names of speaker(s) * Duration: Target one hour for presentation, 30 minutes for Q&A * Short bios for the speaker(s) -- two or three sentences each - Jem ________________________________ Jem Treadwell Hewlett-Packard Company 6000 Irwin Road Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 Phone: 856-638-6021 Fax: 856-638-6190 E-mail: Jem.Treadwell@hp.com <mailto:Jem.Treadwell@hp.com> ________________________________ From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Grimshaw Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:22 AM To: 'ogsa-wg' Subject: [ogsa-wg] Webcast thoughts All, Id like to start an email discussion in advance of the F2F on the webcast content. While we do have an initial set of slides I think we need to make sure that we design the talk for our expected audience rather than based on the material we already have in the deck. When Dave I went to MS our slide deck was not technical enough we had the wrong talk with us, and so had to improvise. So, one of the things Id like to know is: Who is our expected audience? Is it technical people, if so, are they web services aware?, are they applications developers? Or are they mostly managers and planners. Or do we have to try and make everyone happy. Any insight? A Andrew Grimshaw Professor of Computer Science University of Virginia 434-982-2204 grimshaw@cs.virginia.edu _______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. 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