People whose OGSA runtimes are based on Java, people whose planning to head over to the EU for GG20, may want to consider getting their jetlag out the way at the apache conference, which is in Amsterdam the week before: http://www.eu.apachecon.com/ why? Because many of the apache web service developers will be there, from both the Axis2 and the XFire/CSF teams, showing off what they are doing and how to use their tools, as will the maven and ant developer teams. Not only are the sessions good, there is a good tactical advantage of attending as you can then corner people at the conference with your problems, and follow them up with personal emails later. Its a fairly technical conference, but a fast and convenient way of catching up in a lot of what is happening in the libraries and tools underpinning all the Java soap stacks. And being in Amsterdam, just after the queen's birthday, its going to be quite boisterous. We may all need the weekend between it and OGF20 to recover -steve