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Teleconference minutes - April 13, 2005
by Andreas Savva 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

Minutes attached. Gridforge url: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050413/en/1 Mark has also uploaded the April 11 minutes: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050411/en/1 -- Andreas Savva OGSA Teleconference - 13 April 2005 =================================== * Participants Jem Treadwell (HP) Andreas Savva (Fujitsu) Kazushige Saga (NII) Mark Morgan (UVa) Hiro Kishimoto (Fujitsu) Soonwook Hwang (NII) Dave Berry (NeSC) Mike Behrens (R2AD, LLC) * No teleconference minutes available for approval * F2F update There is an EGEE meeting coinciding with OGSA F2F so some people have conflicts. This especially affects the Data team. The current thinking is to leave a day between the main F2F and the Data one; details not decided yet. The venue (LeSC) is still ok. Jem is still not sure he can make it. Andrew has said that he is not planning a naming discusion. Hiro to drop it from the agenda. BES-WG is still set to have a meeting on Sunday. * Roadmap document review - Agreed that "roadmap" is correct for now and will re-check after reviewing for content. - Proposal to change the formatting of the title. It gives the impression of being a roadmap for OGSA 1.0 which is not correct. It is version 1.0 of the Roadmap. - Top of p4: Introduces the term 'profile' but there is no definition. Either rewrite to remove this term or define what a profile is. ** Section 2 - OGSA 1.0 is called 'OGSA Requirements' but the name does not look right. To sidestep the problem of what to call it just use the published document's title. - "We distinguish..." rewrite to address the existing comment, e.g., "There are three critical areas...." - "Architectural process" footnote is misleading since the definition is in the text. Delete footnote. - Agreed to revisit section titles again offline. - Delete 'though' in the last sentence. ** Section 3 - Second paragraph last sentence: delete since it does not add anything to the text. - There was a proposal to add to text on whether conformance can be partial or not and what is recommended. Consensus on the call was that it does not seem right to have this text here. Might be in the Profile template document. - Some typos to be corrected. Jem to send revisions to Hiro. ** Section 4 - David S comment: Hiro to ask Dave S to rewrite the sentence. - Sec. 4.3.: OGSA-WG can not be writing this section. It is the responsibility of the GFSG to set these rules. It could be writen as a suggestion but it would not fit in a Roadmap. Ideally this text should be a separate (policy) document that is authored by the GFSG and referred to by this document. ** Section 5 - Describes the schedule: revise sentence in section 1 (top of p4) for consistency. - Maybe add a short description of each document in addition to the schedule - Question on whether to add all related specifications or just the ones that will be used in the profiles? Consenus was for all specifications. - But maybe provide different level of detail. For example, only provide additional explanation for specifications that are used in profiles. ** Section 6 - There is still no consensus on a Basic EM profile or its content. The text comes from the Dec'04 F2F. - WSDM has been published. - Acceptance into 2.0? WSDM and WS-CIM should be on separate list since they fall in a different category. - Add a security profile. ** Section 7 - Need to be more specific about what is being done to achieve this. In other words, be more concrete about the SDO effort and what OGSA-WG is doing. ** Section 8 - Similar to the comment for Section 7. Must be more concrete on what each project is doing, e.g., implementing which OGSA profiles or contributing how to OGSA. ** Section 9 (security) - If there is a security profile add some text here about it. ** Additional - Add a section on service description documents. - Dave S is listed as an author at the front but not at the back. Hiro to add Dave's details in the back section. - Add Glossary document in the References. - Andreas to create a tracker for this document. * Teleconference schedule Next Monday: Review of profile template Next Wednesday: Review of Roadmap document

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Javadocs for SimpleAuthorizationDecisionStatement
by Sandeep Kumar Singh 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

Dear All, I tried searching for javadocs for SimpleAuthorizationDecisionStatement, but could not find it. Can anyone tell me where can I find the same? Regards, Sandeep

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Proposed agenda for April 18th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on April 18th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; Free: +1-866-639-4741 Toll: +1-574-935-6703 PIN: 8980700 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0418 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (April 11th) https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050411/en/1 Agenda bashing 2) OGSA May F2F meeting update (20 min) Date: May 22 (Sun) for BES-WG meeting May 23 (Mon) and 24 (Tue) for general meeting May 26 (Thu) for OGSA-D WG and ByteIO-WG meeting Venue: Imperial College London Host: Dave Berry (daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk) Accommodation: TBA 3) OGSA profile definition review (60 min) New draft will be available before the call. 4) Wrap up (10 min) AOB April 20 (noon-2pm CDT) Basic Profile April 20 (5-7pm CDT) BP reporting and Roadmap discussion April 25 (5-7pm CDT) <TBD> April 27 (5-7pm CDT) Roadmap discussion See telecon schedule until May F2F: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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RE: [ogsa-wg] OGSA F2F Dates: May 25th or May 26th?
by Dave Berry 16 Apr '05

16 Apr '05

All, >From the responses I've received, there is a clear advantage to holding the OGSA Data meeting on Thursday 26th, even though it is less convenient for those of us who will also be attending the main OGSA WG meeting on the Monday and Tuesday. I will contact IC to book a room for the Thursday. I look forward to seeing you there! Best wishes, Dave. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Berry Sent: 13 April 2005 17:07 To: ogsa-wg Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; gtr(a)ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella(a)battelle.org; arun(a)sdsc.edu; jxu(a)us.ibm.com; o.tatebe(a)aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin(a)imag.fr; ppadala(a)cise.ufl.edu; ivm(a)fnal.gov; jalameda(a)ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc(a)isi.edu; madsen(a)us.ibm.com; allcock(a)mcs.anl.gov; Allen Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke (UCL); David E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird(a)cern.ch; Erwin.Laure(a)cern.ch; Gavin.Mccance(a)cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan Subject: [ogsa-wg] OGSA F2F Dates: May 25th or May 26th? All, Although we agreed a date of May 25th for the OGSA Data F2F, following immediately after the OGSA F2F on the 23rd and 24th, it turns out that some people, both Europeans and Americans, will be attending an EGEE design meeting on those dates. This raises the question of whether more people could attend if we move the OGSA Data F2F to the 26th. Please could interested people mail me and tell me for each date whether you will or will not be able to attend an OGSA Data F2F in London? May 25th Yes (Preferred) / Yes (Possible) / No May 26th Yes (Preferred) / Yes (Possible) / No I want to make a decision this week, because people need to book flights. Best wishes, Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039

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ICSOC 2005
by Ian Foster 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

Dear All: I enclose a call for papers for ICSOC, which may be of interest to some of you. Regards -- Ian.

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OGSA Evolution Policy Statement Draft 2
by David Snelling 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

Folks, Following a weeks time for comments, I have received very little but valuable feedback. I have clarified the definition of the Infrastructure Level, which several people noted was not as clear as it could be. Further comments welcome. It is not yet frozen. -- Take care: Dr. David Snelling < David . Snelling . UK . Fujitsu . com > Fujitsu Laboratories of Europe Hayes Park Central Hayes End Road Hayes, Middlesex UB4 8FE +44-208-606-4649 (Office) +44-208-606-4539 (Fax) +44-7768-807526 (Mobile)

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ByteIO: Agenda on Tuesday 19th
by Dave Berry 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Dear All, The nascent ByteIO working group will meet on Tuesday 19th at 7am PDT / 9am CDT / 10am EDT / 3pm BST / 4pm CEST / 11pm Japan. Agenda ------ Continue technical discussion Start discussing use cases - binary file - DAIS query - sensor PLEASE NOTE CHANGE IN PIN NUMBER UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309 PIN Number: 369 786 Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039

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Minutes from OGSA-WG Basic Profile discussion -- April 13, 2005
by Srinivasan, Latha 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Hi, Here are the meeting minutes from today's BP discussion. I've also uploaded the notes to GridForge/MeetingMinutes. -Latha

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Notes from ByteIO Telcon
by Hiro Kishimoto 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Neil's email bounced. ---- Hiro Kishimoto From: "neil p chue hong" <N.ChueHong(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk> To: "'ogsa-wg'" <ogsa-wg(a)gridforum.org> Subject: Notes from ByteIO Telcon Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:17:31 +0100 These are the notes from the telcon postponed from last week. Minutes from the ByteIO Telcon on 12/4/05 ----------------------------------------- Attending: Mark Morgan (MM) Neil Chue Hong (NCH) Dave Berry (DB) Agenda - Charter Discussion - Telcon times - Kicking off technical discussion Date of next Telcon: 19/4/05 at 14:00 UTC (09:00 CDT / 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST) *** Note change in time *** Charter Discussion ------------------ The co-chairs and Dave Berry had put out the charter for comment, separately the OGSA-WG solicited comments on the ByteIO charter. In particular, one set of comments from Olegario Hernandez were addressed: - concern over whether the writers have properly considered the writing operations in scope (this stemmed from confusion within the initial version of scope as compared with the focus) - the scope does not clearly say what is included We discussed the charter, reworded the purpose, and tightened the scope to make it consistent. We feel we have now given adequate time for comment, received comments and addressed them where necessary. AGREED to submit revised charter, DB has done this. Telcon ------ Agreed to change telcon time to an hour earlier, to avoid clash with DAIS WG telcons. The new time is Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC / 09:00 CDT / 15:00 BST, starting from next week. [NCH] will advertise new time and distribute minutes [DB] will book a new telcon slot Starting Tech ------------- NCH circulated a paper on experiments done in Edinburgh comparing SOAP Base64, SwA and DIME, and sockets. Mark had also done some experiments, which confirm these results. The problem with using SwA is that in the next Microsoft WSE 3.0 release, it is likely that DIME will go out and MTOM will go in. So we lose compatibility in this release. We can also disregard raw sockets as a default as it's just not going to play nice with any web services normal setup. NCH will check on the progress of MTOM implementations in Java. There appear to be some commits into Apache on MTOM in JAXRPC 2.0 / JAXB. WebDAV can be wrapped by a simple web service, this might be a possibility, MM will look into this in more detail. Agenda for next week -------------------- Continue technical discussion Start discussing use cases - binary file - DAIS query - sensor [MM] Write a paragraph or two describing a binary file use case. [NCH] Send mail to Mario Antonioletti at DAIS to procure an existing use case from DAIS to contribute. [DB] Send mail to NEC to see if they can provide a sensor use case -- << NOTE ROOM CHANGE, OTHER DETAILS REMAIN CONSTANT >> Neil P Chue Hong | T: [+44] (0)131 650 5957 Project Manager, EPCC | F: [+44] (0)131 650 6555 Rm 2409, JCMB, Mayfield Rd. | E: N.ChueHong(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK | W: http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk "A film is like a battleground. It's love, hate, action, violence, death - in a word, emotion." - Sam Fuller

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[ogsa-wg | Basic Profile - 1369] Section 8.1.6 additional MESSAGE and INSTANCE reqts
by Sourceforge Tracker Monitor 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

A new artifact has been added: 1369 Submitted by: Tom Maguire Submitted date: 2005-04-13 15:45:47 Respond by visiting: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=780&aid=1369&group_id… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=780&aid=1369&group_id…) Summary: Section 8.1.6 additional MESSAGE and INSTANCE reqts Project: Open Grid Services Architecture Tracker: Basic Profile Artifact ID: 1369 Category: <None> Group: <None> Status: Open Priority: - Last Modified By: Tom Maguire Last Modified: 2005-04-13 15:45:47 Submitted By: Tom Maguire Submit Date: 2005-04-13 15:45:47 Assigned To: &lt;None&gt; File(s): <None> Description: Need testable MESSAGE and INSTANCE normative reqts View the Basic Profile : https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=42&atid=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=42&atid=…)

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