March 2008 - ogsa-wg - lists.ogf.org

Relationship between OGF and OGSA
by David Snelling 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

Folks, I had an action to create some text for use in clarifying the relationship between OGF and OGSA. Here are the slides (including these words) that we settled on in the meeting today. There is a suggestion that we add these words to the OGSA charter page, include them in the OGSA primer, and pass them to the OGF marketing function for use in their messaging. -- Take care: Dr. David Snelling < David . Snelling . UK . Fujitsu . com > Fujitsu Laboratories of Europe Limited Hayes Park Central Hayes End Road Hayes, Middlesex UB4 8FE Reg. No. 4153469 +44-208-606-4649 (Office) +44-7768-807526 (Mobile)

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OGF Use Cases Workshop1
by Steven Newhouse 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

All, As discussed on the call today - here is a first draft of the workshop call. Responses ASAP for a final discussion on Thursday's call. Steven

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Fwd: RSVP OGSA WSRF BP interop call on March 13
by David Snelling 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Folks, Vivian's email has chanced and OGSA rejected her. Here is her proposal for modifying the basic profile in light of lessons learned in the interop. I also like the idea of us each implement an agreed way forward and including it in the current interop, if possible. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Vivian Li" <Vivian.Li(a)uk.fujitsu.com> > Date: 12 March 2008 14:51:01 GMT > To: "Hiro Kishimoto" <hiro.kishimoto(a)jp.fujitsu.com>, "Dave > Snelling" <david.snelling(a)uk.fujitsu.com> > Cc: "Mark Morgan" <mmm2a(a)cs.virginia.edu>, "Morris Riedel" > <m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de>, "Rachana Ananthakrishnan" > <ranantha(a)mcs.anl.gov>, "Shiraz Memon" <a.memon(a)fz-juelich.de>, > "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw(a)cs.virginia.edu>, "Andreas Savva" > <andreas.savva(a)jp.fujitsu.com>, "ogsa-wg" <ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org> > Subject: RE: RSVP OGSA WSRF BP interop call on March 13 > > > Hi All, > > Attached are proposed changes to the two RPs in the OGSA-BP > specification, that are not conform to a typical WSRF style. It > will be > help if we can discuss this on tomorrow's call, and continue with the > current interop based on the changes. > > Thanks, > Vivian > -- Take care: Dr. David Snelling < David . Snelling . UK . Fujitsu . com > Fujitsu Laboratories of Europe Limited Hayes Park Central Hayes End Road Hayes, Middlesex UB4 8FE Reg. No. 4153469 +44-208-606-4649 (Office) +44-7768-807526 (Mobile)

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[Invitation] April F2F meeting planing @ 2008-03-13 09:00 - 10:00 ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, you are invited to Title: April F2F meeting planing Time: 2008-03-13 09:00 - 10:00 (Timezone: Central Time) Calendar: Description: *** ATTENTION: NEW US TZ *** When: 10-11am EDT, 9-10am CDT, 7-8pm PDT, 11pm-midnight JST, 2-3pm UK Dial-in numbers for Thursday: US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Switzerland: +41 (0)1 8009574 (Zurich) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Note taker assignment - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1848 Roll call Agenda bashing 2) Minutes approval and AI review Minutes for approval Feb. 10 call: https://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15147 Action Item review http://forge.ogf.org/short/ogsa-wg/ailist 3) April F2F meeting planing > This is the first of several meetings > Get back from the community who is interested in being involved? > What are we trying to get from them? Use cases. > From that we can look at the specs, and identify gaps. > Is this beyond OGSA? Steve: yes, Ellen: yes, Hiro: yes > We should have a workshop in Barcelona: report out what is done so far, get more involvement. > What kind of "user" are we talking about? The thick tail? Lots of end users, big users? > Steven: we want the common user > Ellen: we do not want to eliminate the enterprise user > Andrew: Let's make sure to invite the caGrid folks, NSF Cyber-Infrastructure, MITRE, NSA, that guy I met in Boston. > But we don't want policy wonks. > Ellen: we must make sure the invite is inclusive > Steven: EGEE does have a use case document - but it is huge > We need somebody to put together an e-vite. Steven will do it before the Thursday meeting. > We will discuss this Thursday morning in the second slot. 4) AoB You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=djRtb3MwMjdoazA4aXRydX… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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[Invitation] WSRF BP intop @ 2008-03-13 08:00 - 09:00 ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, you are invited to Title: WSRF BP intop Time: 2008-03-13 08:00 - 09:00 (Timezone: Central Time) Calendar: Description: *** ATTENTION: NEW US TZ *** When: 9-10am EDT, 8-9am CDT, 6-7pm PDT, 10-11pm JST, 1-2pm UK The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Switzerland: +41 (0)1 8009574 (Zurich) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Note taker assignment - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1848 Roll call Agenda bashing 2) Minutes approval and AI review (see the bottom of this agenda) Minutes approval Jan. 28 call: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15021 OGF22 F2F: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15125 Action Item review http://forge.ogf.org/short/ogsa-wg/ailist 3) OGSA WSRF profile inteop (David Snelling) We will draft a change to the schema for two of the defined RP and actually test them whiel we are all active. Dave thinks it would add a lot of weight to the final REC document. We would also like an update from the Globus team. Interop page - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1744 4) AoB You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=dnRhN3VhM3ZxcmkwbG11NH… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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Teleconference minutes - 10 March 2008 - Access layer
by Andreas Savva 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

Minutes (by Andrew) are on gridforge https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15147?nav=1 -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.

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use case template
by Andre Merzky 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

Hi, attached ios the SAGA use case template, as asked for in todays phone call. Please note that we (i.e. the SAGA folx) would draft a simplier use case template iff we'd do that again, because, in hindsight, we asked too many questions which were not related to the API. OTOH, for your purpose, the question may just be right... ;-) Best, Andre. -- One week of hacking easily saves half an hour of thinking. Henri Bal

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Penultimate draft
by Andrew Grimshaw 10 Mar '08

10 Mar '08

All, I have cut the primer down by half so that we can send it off to IEEE. It is now under 6,000 words. Needless to say a lot of text got axed. I apologize if your favorite is gone. If something must be put back in, then please tell me where else to cut. We are allowed 12 references. We had over thrity. There are many more things referred to in the paper. Currently we have six references. We can add six more. By the way, none of the specs have citations . there are too many. Instead I point the reader at the ogf page. If you care to give me the six citations you feel we absolutely must have, and where they should go. The current set is: 1. Foster, I., Kesselman, C., Nick, J. and Tuecke, S., The Physiology of the Grid: An Open Grid Services Architecture for Distributed Systems Integration. in, (2002). 2. Hunt, G. and Brubacher, D., Detours: Binary interception of Win32 functions. in Proceedings of the 3rd USENIX Windows NT Symposium, (Seattle, 1999), 135-143. 3. Morgan, M. and Grimshaw, A., Genesis II - Standards Based Grid Computing. in Seventh IEEE International Symposium on Cluster Computing and the Grid, (Rio de Janario, Brazil, 2007), IEEE Computer Society, 611-618. 4. Myers, D.S. and Bazinet, A.L. Intercepting Arbitrary Functions on Windows, UNIX, and Macintosh OS X Platforms, University of Maryland, 2004. 5. Thain, D., Tannenbaum, T. and Livny, M. Condor and the Grid. in Berman, F., Hey, A.J.G. and Fox, G. eds. Grid Computing: Making The Global Infrastructure a Reality, John Wiley, 2003, 299-332. 6. White, B., Walker, M., Humphrey, M. and Grimshaw, A., LegionFS: A Secure and Scalable File System Supporting Cross-Domain High-Performance Applications. in SC 01, (Denver, CO, 2001). Comments are welcome until Monday. Then away it goes. A

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[Invitation] Access Layer API (Steven) @ 2008-03-10 18:00 - 19:00 ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 09 Mar '08

09 Mar '08

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, you are invited to Title: Access Layer API (Steven) Time: 2008-03-10 18:00 - 19:00 (Timezone: Central Time) Calendar: Description: *** ATTENTION new time for US TZ *** When: 7-8pm EDT, 6-7pm CDT, 4-5pm PDT, 8-9am JST, 11-12pm UK The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Switzerland: +41 (0)1 8009574 (Zurich) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Note taker assignment - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1848 Roll call April interim F2F update Agenda bashing 2) Minute approval and Action Items review Minutes for approval OGF22 general/admin session: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15125 Action Item review http://forge.ogf.org/short/ogsa-wg/ailist 3) Access Layer API Proposal (Steven Newhouse) In order to provide actual benefits to Grid and Cloud users, we will investigate access layer API with SAGA folks. > S.Newhouse: Overview of the current state of Networking/Web Infrustructe/Grid Middleware. There is seem to be a general trend for using something simpler than Grid Services - Cloud Computing(CC). > - CC is a user oriented access layer to the Grid, a layer above the Grid service, focused on what users want to do, different clients for diff communities: browser based(Web 2.0), OS emulation, APIs available browser or OS. > - the specification adoption process should be oriented more towards this access layer. Specific use cases are needed to drive the future development of the standardization process. 4) AoB You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=OWZocHU0NzFkdGw3ZGFjaW… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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No OGSA calls on 3 March (Mon) or 6 March (Thu)
by Hiro Kishimoto 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

Hi all, Thank you very much for all of you who came or dial-in to OGF22 in Boston. We had very lively and productive sessions. Following our OGSA-WG tradition, we won't have conf calls on March 3rd (Mon) or March 6th (Thu). Our next call will resume on March 10 (Mon). And its agenda is "High Level Spec" discussion lead by Steven Newhouse. http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ogsa.wg%40gmail.com Thanks again and I hope you all trip back home safely! -- Hiro Kishimoto

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