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Proposed agenda for June 12th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 12 Jun '06

12 Jun '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on June 12th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0612 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (June 8th) https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13592?nav=1 July F2F update (if any) Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro, 40 min) Review CDDLM-WG's feedback on Andreas' CDDLM scenario. Jun and Hiro to provide a CDL document example. > Last week on the ogsa call we reviewed the EMS scenario (posix > application) that includes a simple interaction between JSDL and CDL > documents. The major missing piece at the moment is the CDL document, > as an actual XML document. Can I ask you to write up such a document? > I am only interested in the 'top level' (sorry for using perhaps the > wrong terminology) CDL BLAST document. I think it only has to > highlight > 1) hostname as lazy (so that we can show how the JM may choose to > provide that value) > 2) BLAST binary deployment > > Last time we talked about it (April F2F) I think this discussion got > somewhat sidetracked by, among other things, the observation that a > general posix application component also had to be defined to support > the 'top level' CDL BLAST document. For this EMS scenario I think it > is *not* necessary to have such a general component defined as long as > there is sufficient explanation accompanying the BLAST CDL document on > what underlying definitions are assumed. 3) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> June 15 (Thu): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) Architecture & Glossary 1.5 (Andreas and Jem) June 19 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) Roadmap 1.1 (Hiro, ChrisJ, and Jem) June 22 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 26 (Mon): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) <*ACTION ITEMS*> From June 8 call - EMS team to review data staging scenario (section 5 of https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13591?nav=1 ) - Add sequence diagrams to the scenarios: - Andreas will do the "Install application" scenario (3.1) - Mike will do the "Install application using ACS" scenario (3.3) - Other volunteers welcome. (Andreas will ask Donal for the EPS scenario) - Andreas will merge draft scenarios and sequence diagrams to the "EMS Architecture Scenarios" document >From May 22 call - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well >From April 5 F2F meeting - Marvin to send e-mail that explains concerns on compliance suite by GGF & EGA. Deferred - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. (April 24 call, postpone until June 14) - Jay check and find out relatively small funding to Globus to develop document on their security work (April 6 F2F) - Hiro to schedule a discussion in the OGSA F2F after the converged specs drafts are released to discuss which sets of specs to use within OGSA. (April 4 F2F) -- Hiro Kishimoto

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July F2F agenda v3
by Andreas Savva 12 Jun '06

12 Jun '06

I am attaching the revised agenda for the July F2F as decided on the call today. We re-worked the meeting-at-a-glance table on page 4 to fit in a couple of new requests and also make it easy for people to dial in from Europe. Please let Hiro and I know if there are any other requests. Andreas

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Regrets today. Continuation of personal appointment from last week.
by Maguire_Tom＠emc.com 12 Jun '06

12 Jun '06

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Teleconference minutes - 8 June 2006
by Andreas Savva 09 Jun '06

09 Jun '06

Minutes attached. Also uploaded to the new gridforge https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13592?nav=1 (Or go directly to the text view: http://tinyurl.com/et8te) -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd OGSA Teleconference - 8 June 2006 ================================= * Participants Mike Behrens (R2AD, LLC) Dave Berry (NeSC) Michel Drescher (Fujitsu) Donal Fellows (UoM) Steven Newhouse (OMII) Andreas Savva (Fujitsu) Dave Snelling (Fujitsu) Ellen Stokes (IBM) Jay Unger (IBM) Apologies: Tom Maguire, Hiro Kishimoto Minutes: Andreas Savva * June 1 minutes approved with no changes * Action Review: - Re-schedule the information model rendering discussion - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well Agreed to re-schedule the information modeling rendering discussion for June 19 (i.e., at the next information modeling discussion). Post positions to the list a few days in advance to allow a proper review. * July F2F update Discussed and revised the agenda to accomodate members dialling in from Europe and members that also have to attend the (co-located) GGF Management Committee meeting. Agreed that - BES will need half-a-day or more and should be earlier in the week. - Monday schedule cannot be changed - EMS & Data (incl. DMIS) topics should be in the morning so that members from Europe can also dial in [Revised agenda-at-a-glance (V3) sent to the list after the call.] * EMS Scenarios review Updated draft sent to the list. Included EPS scenario and ACS scenario. - Agreed that using BLAST as an example of a POSIX application is reasonable and may offer possibilities to illustrate the use of other 'resource' declarations in JSDL and CDL (e.g., the BLAST database as a resource) - The ACS scenario includes operation names. Doing so is good and should be extended to the other services, as far as operation names are known. For example, EPS does not have a formal specification yet so an approximation is the best that can be done. - For the ACS scenario the ApplicationVersion should be added as a term to match on. Also some description that resource requirements from JSDL may also have to be matched with resource requirements in the Archive. - OGSA data scenarios include an execution and staging scenario. It is still in draft. Dave B requested that the EMS team review and comment. - As future work there is a question on how CDDLM should interact with the data services. This was raised in a previous meeting (F2F). - Once the Scenarios draft is more presentable, request that the HPC Profile group review the scenarios relating to them. - For the final version 1.0 document the "Provisioning a BES instance" scenario may be left out. (It is still too abstract.) It may be added in a later version. - Discussed potential future work after the scenarios are done: - An EMS Architecture document along the lines of the Data Architecture document---more detailed version of the EMS Capability section from OGSA Architecture. Note that this is already on the list of OGSA-WG deliverables for this year. - Interactions/re-factoring between capabilities (e.g., between Data and EMS) ACTIONS: - EMS team to review data staging scenario (section 5 of https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.ogsa-d-w…) - Add sequence diagrams to the scenarios: - Andreas will do the "Install application" scenario (3.1) - Mike will do the "Install application using ACS" scenario (3.3) - Other volunteers welcome. (Andreas will ask Donal for the EPS scenario) - Andreas will merge draft scenarios and sequence diagrams to the "EMS Architecture Scenarios" document

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Agenda for June 8 call
by Andreas Savva 08 Jun '06

08 Jun '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for the OGSA call on June 8th, Thursday, from 8:30am to 10:30pm (CDT). (Sorry for the delay in sending this out.) Dial-in numbers for Thursday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0608 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (June 1st) https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060601/en/1 Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) July F2F update (20 min) Discuss tentative F2F agenda (attached) and new schedule requests (e.g., move BES session from Tuesday afternoon to some other time). 3) EMS scenario discussion (Steven and Andreas, 40 min) An updated draft including EPS scenario (Donal) and ACS scenario (Andreas) will be sent out before the call. 4) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> June 12 (Mon): CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) June 15 (Thu): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) Architecture & Glossary 1.5 (Andreas and Jem) June 19 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) Roadmap 1.1 (Hiro, ChrisJ, and Jem) June 22 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 26 (Mon): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) <*ACTION ITEMS*> - Re-schedule the information model rendering discussion >From May 22 call - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well >From April 5 F2F meeting - Marvin to send e-mail that explains concerns on compliance suite by GGF & EGA. Deferred - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. (April 24 call, postpone until June 14) - Jay check and find out relatively small funding to Globus to develop document on their security work (April 6 F2F) - Hiro to schedule a discussion in the OGSA F2F after the converged specs drafts are released to discuss which sets of specs to use within OGSA. (April 4 F2F) -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd

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RE: EMS Scenarios draft 4 (was Re: [ogsa-wg] Agenda for June 8 call)
by Dave Berry 08 Jun '06

08 Jun '06

The data services scenario I mentioned on the call can be found in section 5 of https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.ogsa- d-wg/docman.root.working_drafts/doc13591. This is very much a work-in-progress. It would be really useful to have some comments on this scenario from the EMS point of view. Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On > Behalf Of Andreas Savva > Sent: 07 June 2006 04:01 > To: 'ogsa-wg' > Subject: EMS Scenarios draft 4 (was Re: [ogsa-wg] Agenda for > June 8 call) > > > 3) EMS scenario discussion (Steven and Andreas, 40 min) > > An updated draft including EPS scenario (Donal) and > > ACS scenario (Andreas) will be sent out before the call. > > > I am attaching an updated scenarios file (draft 4) for review > tomorrow. > As last time this is a pdf file with a change-tracked MS Word > file inside. > > (I'll put this on the new gridforge after the transition is complete.) > > Andreas > > Andreas Savva wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > The following is a proposed agenda for the OGSA call on June 8th, > > Thursday, from 8:30am to 10:30pm (CDT). (Sorry for the delay in > > sending this out.) > > > > Dial-in numbers for Thursday: > > Free: +1-888-452-0308 > > Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 > > PIN: 71815 > > > -- > Andreas Savva > Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd >

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Regrets today; personal appointment
by Maguire_Tom＠emc.com 08 Jun '06

08 Jun '06

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OGSA Roadmap Editors Conference Call tomorrow
by Christopher Jordan 07 Jun '06

07 Jun '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you are already involved in the OGSA Roadmap document editing process, or are interested in becoming involved, please join me for our inaugural conference call on Wednesday June 7th, 15:00PM PDT/ 18:00PM PDT/2100 London time - this is Thursday June 8th, 7:00AM Tokyo, 6:00AM Beijing. Meeting Title: OGSA Roadmap Editing Duration: 1 Hour 30 Minutes To Join Audio Conference Primary Dial-In: 1 (800) 559-0817 Alternate/International Dial-In: 1 (630) 424-8578 Passcode: 8820079# I will put together an agenda for this call and send it out tomorrow morning - please send any topics you'd like to discuss to me directly ASAP. Also, we are fast approaching a deadline for anyone who wishes to participate in this process. It is not necessarily mandatory that you attend the conference call tomorrow if you want to participate, but by the time we have the second call, I probably won't want to add any more participants, in order to keep the process moving along smoothly. Don't let this necessarily discourage you from joining the process, either - we'll need all the help we can get, we just need it sooner rather than later :-) Thanks. - ---------------------------------------------------- Chris Jordan HPC Systems Engineer High End Computing Systems Group San Diego Supercomputer Center ctjordan(a)sdsc.edu 858.534.8347 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEhi1IPCVtcXn6kg8RAkddAKDN2Hzx8i/UXvCB1RHz/gGj6Rd/1gCgi6wN KT3aevBJ1Rz1XJU26uU8nWI= =WmAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Proposed agenda for June 5th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on June 5th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0605 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (June 1st) https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060601/en/1 July F2F update if any Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) Information model (Ellen and Fred, 60 min) - Information Modeling in OGSA - Position Paper https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Info_Model_position_p… - BES Information Model https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/BES_info_model > The main issue discussed was the difference between the approach > proposed for a (minimal/)general element that can be used to > express <name,value> pairs, with the value part being typeless VS > extension using an xsd:any and defining a schema. > - (See also minutes of GGF17 and April 27.) > - There has been experience with both approaches > - Difference is relying on explicit typing vs convention; and > checking types when validating vs matching time (fail in a subtle > fashion) > - Discussed whether stronger typing with a schema makes for easier > checking. Having an xsd:any doesn't help as much as people might > think for checking types; matching might still fail later. > - It is still necessary to define conventions. Need to define a set > of <name,value> conventions > - Andrew's issue is whether the value (in (<name,value>) is typed. > - Type checking information is needed somewhere; and wouldn't > want to have it only in the code > - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) > to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches > - Jay is following up. He has a meeting (6/12) with Miron and will > arrange to get some feedback; but probably not by next call. > > - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss > it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 24 call > - No JSDL call yet. 3) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> June 8 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 12 (Mon): CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) June 15 (Thu): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) Architecture & Glossary 1.5 (Andreas and Jem) June 19 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) Roadmap 1.1 (Hiro, ChrisJ, and Jem) June 22 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 26 (Mon): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) <*ACTION ITEMS*> From May 22 call - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 5 F2F meeting - Marvin to send e-mail that explains concerns on compliance suite by GGF & EGA. Deferred - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. (April 24 call, postpone until June 14) - Jay check and find out relatively small funding to Globus to develop document on their security work (April 6 F2F) - Hiro to schedule a discussion in the OGSA F2F after the converged specs drafts are released to discuss which sets of specs to use within OGSA. (April 4 F2F) -- Hiro Kishimoto

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gridforge screwed up?
by Frank Siebenlist 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

It seems our dear forge.gridforum.org has been "upgraded" and "improved"... i cannot login and links have disappeared :-( -Frank. -- Frank Siebenlist franks(a)mcs.anl.gov The Globus Alliance - Argonne National Laboratory

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