November 2004 - ogsa-wg - lists.ogf.org

Naming: ARK identifiers?
by Dave Berry 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

For the naming team, Have you looked at the ARK naming scheme from J Kunze? There is an IETF draft describing this: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kunze-ark-08.txt. ARK identifiers have the form [http://NMAH/]ark:/NAAN/Name. The NAAN/Name part seems very similar to the Handle system. The optional NMAH part defines a service that can resolve the name. The ARK scheme proposes that naming authorities commit to (and make explicit) a policy for the persistence of the object. By the way, what is it about the Handle system that doesn't satisfy the uniqueness property (c.f. the comparison spreadsheet)? Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Grimshaw [mailto:grimshaw@virginia.edu] Sent: 29 November 2004 18:23 To: 'Hiro Kishimoto'; 'ogsa-wg' Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] naming service design team call on Nov 29th I have not had a chance to write the revised document. We can however, discuss the one item we punted on - names and authentication. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Hiro Kishimoto Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:15 AM To: 'ogsa-wg' Subject: [ogsa-wg] naming service design team call on Nov 29th Hi all, We will have an name service design team call on Nov. 29th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CST). Andrew will send out revised naming document before the call. He will lead security aspect discussion with Frank, our security guru. The dial-in number for Monday; Free: +1-866-639-4741 Toll: +1-574-935-6703 PIN: 8980700 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://hiro.glance.net Session key: 1129 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html Previous calls minutes: (Nov. 15) Mark has uploaded the previous meeting minutes. https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/naming-minutes-200 4111 5/en /1 Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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naming service design team call on Nov 29th
by Hiro Kishimoto 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Hi all, We will have an name service design team call on Nov. 29th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CST). Andrew will send out revised naming document before the call. He will lead security aspect discussion with Frank, our security guru. The dial-in number for Monday; Free: +1-866-639-4741 Toll: +1-574-935-6703 PIN: 8980700 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://hiro.glance.net Session key: 1129 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html Previous calls minutes: (Nov. 15) Mark has uploaded the previous meeting minutes. https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/naming-minutes-200411… /1 Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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Survey template (RE: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Nov. 24th call)
by Hiro Kishimoto 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Hi all, > 2) Interested party list discussion (30 min) > For both our roadmap and v1 document, we should list up key > stakeholders including WG/RG/TCs, grid projects, venders. > Identify their interest (high level arch - actual spec - implementation) > and involvement to OGSA activity. > Hiro will send out draft survey template before the call. Please find draft template for interested party survey. I also included first draft of Business Grid as an example. https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_interested_party… ey/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/BusinessGrid_draft/en… Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto > -----Original Message----- > From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto@jp.fujitsu.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:18 PM > To: 'ogsa-wg' > Subject: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Nov. 24th call > > Hi all, > > The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on November 24th > Wednesday from 5pm to 7pm (CST). > > The dial-in number for Wednesday. > Free: +1-888-452-0308 > Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 > PIN: 71815 > > Screen share service will be provided. > URL: http://hiro.glance.net > Session key: 1124 > See more explanation: > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html > > 1) Early discussion (10 min) > Note taker assignment > Roll call (orally and send your name to note taker) > Telecon minutes approval (Nov. 17th) > - http://tinyurl.com/6lxgb > December F2F meeting update (if any) > Agenda bashing > > 2) Interested party list discussion (30 min) > For both our roadmap and v1 document, we should list up key > stakeholders including WG/RG/TCs, grid projects, venders. > Identify their interest (high level arch - actual spec - implementation) > and involvement to OGSA activity. > Hiro will send out draft survey template before the call. > > 3) OGSA arch v1 document update (30 min) > Continue with review of v1 public comments. > Last spreadsheet: > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/documen/ogsa-v1-public-comment… > > 4) OGSA glossary update (30 min) > Continue with review of glossary public comments. > Last summary: > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/10/msg00008.html > > 5) Wrap up (10 min) > AOB > > Nov. 29th is naming service design team call > Dec. 1st is regular call > > <pending issues> > ?) Process discussion until December F2F (?) > Agenda items > Design teams' deliverable and schedule > Solicit attendees from related WG/RG/TCs > > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/200412_draft_agenda_o… > e/en/1 > > ?) Roadmap document review (?) > > > - Ian had some comments on the revised version and it was decided > > that it would be better to have him on the call. > > The version of the roadmap that came out of the Sept 1st call is on > gridforge: > http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/draft-ggf-ogsa-roadmap/en/2 > > ?) GGF12 Action Items () > - Andreas will send out shortly > > > ?) Aug F2F meeting Action Item review (?) > > Action: Heather to send details on the work WSDM is doing on > Events. > - Ravi and Andrew would like to be involved in this > discussion. > > Fred will keep an eye on work progress and inform the group > > Andreas to send reminder to Heather again > Done > > Action: Andrew to check with Data team if producing a set of notes > each detailing a decision and its rationale (Architecture (AR) > notes) would be appropriate to solve the 'communication' > problem (what OGSA-WG has discussed and decided) > > - Andrew did not receive a positive or negative response so far > > - Andrew to talk with people who brought it up; this will likely > > not be before GGF12. > > Action: Frank to ask Ian for an MDS representative to join the > Information Services design team > > - Frank asked Ian; waiting for reply; will followup. > > Action: Jay to talk with Ian and Hiro and form a core design team to > work on dependencies at architecture level (roadmap). > > - Hiro will contact Jay > > Thanks, > ---- > Hiro Kishimoto > > > >

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Additional agenda item for naming service call
by Hiro Kishimoto 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Hi Andrew, I talked to Osamu Tatebe, one of GFS-WG co-chair, and we'd like to ask you to add "Resource Namespace Service (RNS)" discussion to upcoming name service call on Monday (Nov. 29). Osamu and possibly the other GFS-WG co-chairs will join the call. This was also suggested at the last Data Design Team call on Nov. 23th. > GFS were interested in the relationship with the naming design team > and OASIS activity. We suggested they join the naming design team > calls. Mark will forward details of call. Given that (a) Naming service design team is completing naming requirement document (b) GFS-WG has RNS spec draft (c) Andrew and Mark (UVa) has another "Context Space (CS)" spec, I think it's worth discussing the following issues; (Q1) Does GFS-WG use the same taxonomy / terms that the Naming service design team is using? (Q2) Does RNS spec fulfill all the requirements that are stated in the requirement document by naming service design team? Does it add any new requirements? (Q3) Should RNS and CS be merged before long or should data design team choose one of them? (Q4) Given that WS-naming spec will be developed by new OASIS-TC, should GFS-WG re-factore their RNS spec as an extension of this new WS-naming spec? (Q5) Does RNS have grid bias? Related material: (a) Requirement document by naming service design team - Naming in Distributed Systems (v.02) http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/ogsa-naming/en/3 - Naming service call minutes: http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/naming-minutes-20040830/en/1 http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/naming-minutes-20041101/en/1 http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/naming-minutes-20041115/en/1 (b) GFS-WG has RNS spec draft Resource Namespace Service Specification https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/gfs-wg/document/Resource_Namespace_Ser… -_Specification/en/1 - Data service call minutes: http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/Minutes_27th_October_2004/en/1 http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/Minutes_2nd_November_2004/en/1 http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/Minutes_16th_November_2004/en/1 http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/Minutes_23rd_November_2004/en/1 (c) Andrew and Mark (UVa) has another "Context Space (CS)" spec, http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/DRAFT-GridLib-High-Level-Reference/en/1 Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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Resource provisioning term definition
by Hiro Kishimoto 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Hi Jem, The attached is my homework assignment for "resource provisioning term definition." I think a couple of refinements will increase readability. If you agree to my proposal, please put them into your glossary document for group review. Or if you have any questions, please let me know. caveats: This proposal is for OGSA v1.0 only. We will revisit these terms for v2.0 onward. Hope it helps, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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Data: Proposed agenda for WEDNESDAY Dec 1st
by Dave Berry 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

Dear all, Our next telcon will be December 1st, reverting to our previous time slot in the USA and UK: 8.00am (PST) / 11.00am EST / 4.00pm (GMT) / 5.00 pm (CET). I apologise to any members in Japan who wish to participate for the impracticability of this time slot. UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 USA Freephone: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309 PIN: 632 065 (Reference 227 6087) 1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_23rd_Novem ber_2004/en/1. Agenda bashing 2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Mark to look at next version of GFS-WG document. - Mark to start revising draft document for UVa implementation. - Manuel to see if Mark can get ahold of draft implementations of GFS/VFDS. - Dave to propose change to time slot [Done] - Focus on metadata interfaces for services and map them onto scenarios - Push on Architecture work. 3) BasicFiles and Contexts (20 min) - Discussion of new version of GFS-WG document 4) Update on Metadata scenarios (10 min) - Progress report 5) Plans for F2F (15 min) 6) Wrap up (5 min) AOB DONM Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039

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OGSA usecase document is now formally published
by Hiro Kishimoto 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi all, Finally, OGSA usecase document is now formally published. Thank you very much for your contributions! Note by Greg Newby, GGF Editor. > Thanks - this is now published as a replacment for GFD.29. > Stacey will move it into the proper location. > I appreciate your diligence on this document! Description: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=753&group_id=… Document (pdf) https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/download.php?group_id=90&atid=414&file_… 5&aid=753 ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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Proposed agenda for Nov. 24th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on November 24th Wednesday from 5pm to 7pm (CST). The dial-in number for Wednesday. Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://hiro.glance.net Session key: 1124 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call (orally and send your name to note taker) Telecon minutes approval (Nov. 17th) - http://tinyurl.com/6lxgb December F2F meeting update (if any) Agenda bashing 2) Interested party list discussion (30 min) For both our roadmap and v1 document, we should list up key stakeholders including WG/RG/TCs, grid projects, venders. Identify their interest (high level arch - actual spec - implementation) and involvement to OGSA activity. Hiro will send out draft survey template before the call. 3) OGSA arch v1 document update (30 min) Continue with review of v1 public comments. Last spreadsheet: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/documen/ogsa-v1-public-comment… 4) OGSA glossary update (30 min) Continue with review of glossary public comments. Last summary: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/10/msg00008.html 5) Wrap up (10 min) AOB Nov. 29th is naming service design team call Dec. 1st is regular call <pending issues> ?) Process discussion until December F2F (?) Agenda items Design teams' deliverable and schedule Solicit attendees from related WG/RG/TCs https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/200412_draft_agenda_o… e/en/1 ?) Roadmap document review (?) > - Ian had some comments on the revised version and it was decided > that it would be better to have him on the call. The version of the roadmap that came out of the Sept 1st call is on gridforge: http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/draft-ggf-ogsa-roadmap/en/2 ?) GGF12 Action Items () - Andreas will send out shortly ?) Aug F2F meeting Action Item review (?) Action: Heather to send details on the work WSDM is doing on Events. - Ravi and Andrew would like to be involved in this discussion. > Fred will keep an eye on work progress and inform the group > Andreas to send reminder to Heather again > Done Action: Andrew to check with Data team if producing a set of notes each detailing a decision and its rationale (Architecture (AR) notes) would be appropriate to solve the 'communication' problem (what OGSA-WG has discussed and decided) > - Andrew did not receive a positive or negative response so far > - Andrew to talk with people who brought it up; this will likely > not be before GGF12. Action: Frank to ask Ian for an MDS representative to join the Information Services design team > - Frank asked Ian; waiting for reply; will followup. Action: Jay to talk with Ian and Hiro and form a core design team to work on dependencies at architecture level (roadmap). > - Hiro will contact Jay Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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EMS Teleconference minutes - 23 November 2004
by Hiro Kishimoto 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Today's EMS minutes attached. http://tinyurl.com/5fxfd/minutes-ems-20041123/ ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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Teleconference minutes - Nov. 17, 2004
by Jem Treadwell 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi, the minutes from last week's meeting are attached, and are also available on Gridforge at http://tinyurl.com/6lxgb. - Jem -- Jem Treadwell Hewlett-Packard Company Phone: (732) 577-6043 200 Route 9 North Fax: (732) 577-6003 Manalapan, NJ 07726 E-mail: Jem.Treadwell(a)hp.com OGSA Teleconference November 17, 2004 ===================================== * Participants: Hiro Kishimoto (Fujitsu) Bill Horn (IBM) Mark Morgan (UVa) Jem Treadwell (HP) Fred Maciel (Hitachi) Jay Unger (IBM) (briefly) Latha Srinivasan (HP) Mike Behrens (R2AD, LLC) Ravi Subramaniam (Intel) * Minutes: Jem Treadwell * Minutes Approval No minutes available for 11/3 or 11/10 meetings no approval. * OGSA F2F #9 (December 8-10) - Dave Snelling sent mail pointing out that the Holiday Inn telephone number provided earlier is incorrect. Hiro has already sent mail to the list to correct this. - Can we get the IBM rate at the Holiday Inn? Ask for it you might get it! - Jay checked, and they *apparently* have free high-speed access in all rooms. - Start time on Wednesday 12/8 is 9am. * Interested-Party Survey Hiro is working on the template, and hopes to complete it by next weeks meeting. No discussion. * Glossary Hiro made some proposals for service, entity, resource, manageable entity and manageable resource, and Bill had also made some proposals around the same group of words. We discussed them at length. Ravi expressed some concerns that definitions would not be in tune with, for example, the EMS work being done for V2, but Jem eventually pointed out that the terms under discussion are for V1 of the Glossary, and could be revised for V2 if necessary. The changes to be made at this point should be minimal, to address public comments. Fred proposed that in the V1 document we recognize the issues in a footnote, and state that we will consider design team work in arriving at a consistent, crisp definition for V2. Keep everything conceptually unchanged in V1 resources are manageable, everything is an entity, resources are a subset of entities. This was agreed, and we agreed a set of modifications to the proposals by Hiro and Bill. Hiro will pass back to Jem for incorporation, and Jem will attempt to have the document updated by next weeks meeting (11/24).

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