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David's message bounced. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-d-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-d-wg@ggf.org] Sent: 06 May 2006 17:55 To: owner-ogsa-d-wg@ggf.org Subject: BOUNCE ogsa-d-wg@ggf.org: Non-member submission from [David Wallom <david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk>] port 10024) with ESMTP id 12565-01; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from relay6.mail.ox.ac.uk (relay6.mail.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.167]) by mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9887712A9E; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp2.herald.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.0.235]) by relay6.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FcQ3m-0003LY-LM; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:55:14 +0100 Received: from bb-87-80-250-26.ukonline.co.uk ([87.80.250.26] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smtp2.herald.ox.ac.uk with asmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1FcQ3m-0002TS-02; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:55:14 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 17:55:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter From: David Wallom <david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk> To: Marvin Theimer <theimer@microsoft.com>, Dave Berry <daveb@nesc.ac.uk>, <ogsa-wg@ggf.org>, <dmis-bof@ggf.org>, <ogsa-d-wg@gridforum.org> Message-ID: <C0829389.4349%david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk> Thread-Topic: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter Thread-Index: AcZv3YOIV4NrIcq3T8O0WWdBbEA4rAAb2oTQAAI5bCAANgJAeA== In-Reply-To: <19A328037921AA42847A717566D1D6A108113F7C@RED-MSG-42.redmond.corp.micros oft.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229782922_2900600" this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229782922_2900600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marvin,

From reading most of the correspondence on this topic and from various conversations about this with various people I was wondering if we could actually launch a separate Data profile since tacking this onto the end of the HPC profile could possibly prove limiting. I was wondering if the data discussion would be a specific part of the BOF?

Regards David On 5/5/06 16:15, "Marvin Theimer" <theimer@microsoft.com> wrote:

Hi; =20 You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job submi= ssion and not about the related need to get data from client to execution subsystem(s) and back again. But since the goal of the group is to defin= e a profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know that we will n= eed to tackle the topic of data staging at some point. As with JSDL and BES=B9= s relation to the job submission parts of the work, I=B9m hoping we will

be a= ble to substantially leverage other existing work, such as that of the data D= MIS groups, as appropriate. I=B9ll make that more explicit in the next revisio= n of the draft charter. =20 Thanks for pointing this matter out, Marvin. =20 =20 =20 From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM To: Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg@ggf.org; dmis-bof@ggf.org; ogsa-d-wg@gridforu= m.org Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter =20 Hi, =20 All the discussion I've seen about this profile so far has focussed on specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed charter says that this i= s only one of two areas of interest; the other being data staging. The immediate question is what link will this profile work have to the Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the profile refer to the DM= IS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL and BES? (Of course, JSD= L also covers data staging to some extent). =20 Work is also continuing on the data aspects of the OGSA architecture, in = the OGSA Data WG. I would encourage the HPC profile group to engage with the= OGSA Data group and the DMIS group concerning how to fit data staging into the overall architecture. =20 Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week but it would be useful if mem= bers of these groups could get together there to agree a working relationship. =20 Best wishes, =20 Dave.

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=20 =20 =20 From: owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Theimer Sent: 05 May 2006 01:48 To: ogsa-wg@ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter

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Hi; =20 Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group chart= er. This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the upc= oming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the mean time, please feel free to comme= nt on the draft via email to this mailing list. =20 Thanks, Marvin. =20

--=20 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. David Wallom Technical Manager Oxford e-Research Centre University of Oxford c/o OUCS 13 Banbury Road Oxford OX2 6NN Tel : +44 (0)1865 283378 email: david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --B_3229782922_2900600 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter</TI= TLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>Hi Ma= rvin,<BR> <BR> From reading most of the correspondence on this topic and from various conv= ersations about this with various people I was wondering if we could actuall= y launch a separate Data profile since tacking this onto the end of the HPC = profile could possibly prove limiting. I was wondering if the data discussio= n would be a specific part of the BOF?<BR> <BR> Regards<BR> <BR> David<BR> <BR> <BR> On 5/5/06 16:15, "Marvin Theimer" <theimer@microsoft.com> w= rote:<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN= STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>Hi;<BR>  <BR> You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job submiss= ion and not about the related need to get data from client to execution subs= ystem(s) and back again.  But since the goal of the group is to define = a profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know that we will ne= ed to tackle the topic of data staging at some point.  As with JSDL and= BES’s relation to the job submission parts of the work, I’m hop= ing we will be able to substantially leverage other existing work, such as t= hat of the data DMIS groups, as appropriate.  I’ll make that more= explicit in the next revision of the draft charter.<BR>  <BR> Thanks for pointing this matter out,<BR> Marvin.<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN ST= YLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'> </SPAN></FONT> <P ALIGN=3DCENTER> <FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>= <HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"2" WIDTH=3D"100%"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> <P> <FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'><B>From:<= /B> Dave Berry [<a href=3D"mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk]">mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk]<= /a> <BR> <B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM<BR> <B>To:</B> Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg@ggf.org; dmis-bof@ggf.org; ogsa-d-wg@gri= dforum.org<BR> <B>Subject:</B> RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group ch= arter<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN STYL= E=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Hi,<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>All the discussion I've seen about this pro= file so far has focussed on specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed= charter says that this is only one of two areas of interest; the other bein= g data staging.  The immediate question is what link will this profile = work have to the Data Movement Interface Specification group?  Will the= profile refer to the DMIS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL a= nd BES?  (Of course, JSDL also covers data staging to some extent).<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Work is also continuing on the data aspects= of the OGSA architecture, in the OGSA Data WG.  I would encourage the = HPC profile group to engage with the OGSA Data group and the DMIS group conc= erning how to fit data staging into the overall architecture.<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week= but it would be useful if members of these groups could get together there = to agree a working relationship.<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Best wishes,<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Dave.<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times Ne= w Roman"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>=20 </SPAN></FONT></FONT> <P ALIGN=3DCENTER> <FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>= <HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"2" WIDTH=3D"100%"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> <P> <FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.= 0px'><B>From:</B> owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org [<a href=3D"mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.o= rg]">mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Marvin Theimer<BR=

<B>Sent:</B> 05 May 2006 01:48<BR> <B>To:</B> ogsa-wg@ggf.org<BR> <B>Subject:</B> [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charte= r<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN STYL= E=3D'font-size:16.0px'>Hi;<BR>  <BR> Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group charter.=  This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the = upcoming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo.  In the mean time, please feel fre= e to comment on the draft via email to this mailing list.<BR>  <BR> Thanks,<BR> Marvin.<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><S= PAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STY= LE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> <BR> -- <BR> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<BR> Dr. David Wallom<BR> Technical Manager<BR> Oxford e-Research Centre<BR> University of Oxford<BR> c/o OUCS<BR> 13 Banbury Road<BR> Oxford<BR> OX2 6NN<BR> <BR> Tel  : +44 (0)1865 283378<BR> email: david.wallom@ierc.ox.ac.uk<BR> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3229782922_2900600--