Hi all,

Since my proposed agenda may give rise to misunderstandings,
let me make myself clear:

 > 4) Removal of container model from BES spec appendix

should read
'Clarify OGSA request to include "Container Model" as BES Appendix'.

OGSA-BES-WG *is* sole authority of BES-spec and OGSA-WG
respects that. We have had discussions in the past and an understanding
that this appendix would be included. I would like to discuss the issues
and identify a mutually agreeable way forward.

I'd like to encourage both OGSA and BES members to attend this part of
the call.

Thanks,
----
Hiro Kishimoto

Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Oct. 2nd
> Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT).
> 
> The dial-in number for Monday;
>    US:    +1 718 3541071 (New York) or
>           +1 408 9616509 (San Jose)
>    UK:    +44 (0)207 3655269 (London)
>    Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo)
>    PIN:  4371991
>    See more information:
>    - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477?nav=1
> 
> Screen share service will be provided.
>    URL:         http://ogsa.glance.net
>    Session key: 1002
>    See more explanation:
>    https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584?nav=1
> 
> 1) Early discussion (20 min)
>          Note taker assignment
>          Roll call
>          Telecon minutes approval (Sept. 25)
>          - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13903?nav=1
>          Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)
>          Agenda bashing
> 
> 2) Information/data modeling Xquery (Ellen, 30 min)
> 
> Minutes from GGF18:
>> generate 3 to 5 queries that might be issued; would like to use as a
>  > starter set for usefulness of XML document and to show how it would
>  > look like in XQuery.
> 
> 3) Separation of service/info model (Tom, 30 min)
> 
> Minutes form Sept. 25:
>>    - Another open issue is how does the Information Model work (in
>>      context of DMTF) comes together with the EGA reference model
>>      (dags).
>>      - A possible viewpoint is that the EGA Reference Model is the
>>        overarching model: 
>>        - With specific/concrete stuff mapping to CIM
>>        - But some more abstract stuff do not map to CIM easily
>>      - There is some more abstract work in the SMIS space and this
>>        will end up at some point in DMTF schema
>>      - So the DMTF might be an eventual consumer for some of this work
>>
> 
>          Tom will send a note to the list (to: Ellen S and Fred M)
>          on why the current separation of service/info model may
>          not be quite right.
> 
> 4) Removal of container model from BES spec appendix (Ellen, 10 min)
> 
> Ellen's email:
>> The intent of this appendix is to provide the container model as an 
>> 'informational' appendix so it can be submitted to DMTF as concrete 
>> proposal for inclusion in the DMTF CIM and a context for why a container 
>> model is necessary.
>>
>> The inclusion of the model in the BES spec does not imply that OGSA must 
>> implement this CIM container model to implement BES; it is merely an 
>> abstraction for a general container model where BES can provide context 
>> for the need and implementation of a specific container model.  If this 
>> point doesn't come across in the appendix text, I have no problem 
>> modifying the text.
> 
> 5) Wrap up (10 min)
>          AOB
> 
> <*NEXT CALL*>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477?nav=1
> 
> Oct.   5 (Thu): Security, secure channel profile review
> Oct.   9 (Mon): EGA reference model, OGSA roadmap
> Oct.  12 (Thu): <No call?>
> Oct.  16 (Mon): Information/data modeling
> Oct.  19 (Thu): Security, secure channel profile review
> Oct.  23 (Mon): EGA reference model, OGSA roadmap
> 
> <*ACTION ITEMS*>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1569?nav=1
> 
>  > From Sept. 25 call.
>    AI-0925a: Hiro to setup wiki page with names of people who have
>          expressed interest in the security team
>    AI-092625b: Jem to pull definitions together and produce a new
>               merged first draft.
>               - Send a mail to the ogsa list about this work
>               - Set Oct. 9 as the target for the first Glossary draft
>    AI-0925c: Hiro to ask Alan Clark to ask EGA TC member who want to
>         contribute to join the OGSA list and this convergence work.  -
>         Members may have changed but organizations have not
>    AI-0925d: Paul Strong to send EGA Glossary MS-Word file to Jem
>             Treadwell
>    AI-0925e: Hiro to talk with Andrew Grimshaw and Mark Morgan and
>               bring back a concrete proposal for the HPC Profile use
>               case as a convergence candidate.
>    AI-0925f: Hiro to talk with Ellen Stokes and add more items in DMTF
>             register in the context of this convergence work
>    AI-0925g: Tom will send a note to the list (to: Ellen S and Fred M)
>               on why the current separation of service/info model may
>               not be quite right.
> 
>  > From Sept. 21 call.
>    AI-0921b: Security members to discuss the BoF proposal(s) further
>              - For example, one outcome could be some standards
>                activity to mirror CAOPS activities and tie-in to OGSA
>    AI-0921c: Dave S (as Standards VP) to talk to the next
>              Security AD (when one is selected) about the Security Area
>              task list.
>    AI-0921d: Dave S to collect additional material in order to identify
>              security issues better.
>              - (AI-0921e is an issue instance)
>    AI-0921i: Dave S to provide an agenda for the next security call.
>              - Draft agenda items for Oct. 5th:
>                - What needs to be done to achieve simple interop
>                  generally and to bootstrap more
>                - Profile to get authentication information from a
>                  secure channel for authentication
>                - Profile for other methods to get authentication
>                  informatin for authorization
> 
>  > From Sept. 15 OGSA F2F
>    AI-0915a: (A Savva, S McGough): Set up a telephone conference to
>               collect workflow (BPEL) experience
>    AI-0915b: Ellen to check the status of the items on the
>              DMTF work register: report which have been done, and what
>              DMTF is doing for the rest.
>    AI-0915c: Ellen to propose new text to update the DMTF register
>    AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker
>    AI-0915e: Hiro to talk with OGF Editor to start an errata process
> 
>  > From Sept. 14 OGSA F2F
>    AI-0914a (Andreas Savva): Integrate the simple Data scenario just
>             presented into the scenarios document
>    AI-0914f (Fred Brisard and Hiro Kishimoto): Fix the location of the
>             next F2F and inform the group vial the mailing list
> 
>  > From GGF18 EMS session (Sept. 13)
>    AI-0913a: Andreas to update function names of BES.
>    AI-0913b: Andrew to write-up a couple of such JM functionalities
>             (short paragraph for each, e.g. time constraint as JSDL
>              extension.)
>    AI-0913c: Andreas to add another scenario to use this “terminate”
>              method of activity interface.
>    AI-0913e: Andreas to separate un-deployment as a separate scenario.
>    AI-0913f: Andreas to describe relation between ACS and CDDLM.
>    AI-0913g: Donal to provide his proposal on
>              "ActivityExecutionCandidate."
> 
>  > From Sept. 7 call
>    AI-0907b: Takuya will search for an external reliable source of
>              strong (or deprecated) ciphers to reference.
>    AI-0907c: Andreas will revise the explanatory text and send the new
>               version to Takuya.
>    AI-0907d: Takuya will update the documents and issue a final call
>               on the list. (Probably during GGF18.)
> 
>  > From Aug. 31 call
>    AI-0831e: (A Savva) Talk to ACS working group for refining this
>                scenario.
>    AI-0831f: (A Savvva) Research RNS and probably update the EMS Arch
>                Scenarios document
> 
>  > From Aug. 17 call
>    AI-0817a: Dave Berry and Jay Unger will approach groups (GIN,
>               Globus, etc) that have implemented practical grids and
>               start a discussion on how they handle data:
>               - how data is treated as a resource that can be scheduled
>               - how transfers are modeled
>               - how files are advertised
>               - how applications find files (query, by knowledge,?)
>               (Due Oct. 9)
> 
>  > From Aug. 3 call
>    AI-0803e: Jun will provide an example of the CDL mechanism and why
>               using ID/IDREF is not a good idea.
>    AI-0803f: Jun will update the CDL document to remove the Environment
>               variables
> 
>  > From July 20 F2F
> - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to
>       contribute use cases.
> - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to
>       Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes.
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
> 
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