Whilst the 'value to the business' argument, backed up with some case studies is useful I wonder whether people are getting fed up of seeing the same old industries here? Maybe the time is ripe to look for users / stories in those industries that aren't perceived to be a sweet-spot for grid? The other tack here really depends upon how contentious we want to be... I'd like to see some discussion about why very few users have adopted grids that conform to the very standards that OGF is defining. Why is Globus getting little, if any, traction within the business community and what needs to be done to fix it? As I said, potentially contentious, but it could provoke some good discussions for a panel discussion perhaps? I'd also suggest maye getting someone to talk to the OGF about NESSI and what they are up to to improve industrial use of grid technologies. J Senior Consulting IT Specialist and Technical Staff Member IBM Systems & Technology Group Infrastructure Innovation Int: 7-313796. Ext: +44-1256-343796 "Dave Berry" <daveb@nesc.ac.uk > To Sent by: <ogf20pc@ogf.org> ogf20pc-bounces@o cc gf.org Subject [ogf20pc] Please reply - 25/09/2006 17:42 Kick-starting the industry PC Dear PC member, I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC to this OGF20 PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first telcons of this subgroup and to request input. No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at short notice, so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one that most people can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I explicitly invited to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of the following slots you can attend: Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm BST / 6pm CST In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or projects) for sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider this from the demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader audience, who would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits broader discussion, feel free to mail the list. Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone on the PC, including all sub-groups. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc