Dave, Looks reasonable, but I don't see a compelling reason here as to why someone from Industry would want to attend this. What is the 'carrot'? Whilst the items you are suggesting below are worthy in their own right I think that it is perhaps too broad an agenda. I guess it all depends on who we believe the 'industry audience' is here. Anyone that is doing this sort of stuff already will look at this and see nothing that the don't know (or believe they know) already. Anyone that is a newbie might well find value in this, but are they the sort of person to come to an event like OGF? Are they the sort of person who would know that OGF was running in Manchester? How would they find out? Just to show the sort of thing that you're up against here. This is the sort of event that is going to get participation from Industry (in this case Financial) http://www.incisive-events.com/public/showPage.html?page=im_events_waters_citygrid06_home&tempId=343500 The two major advantages that this has... 1. It is literally 5 minutes or so away from many of the offices of the people who will be attending (maybe 20 minutes from the City proper). As such it allows someone to pop back to the office when they find a 'gap' in the agenda that they don't want to listen to. 2. The speakers are all from major players in the industry. i.e. it is specifically aimed at their industry and they won't have to listen to all the 'surrounding blurb' because they all know it... i.e. they can focus on the content of interest to them I realise that OGF is trying to be all things to all people, but therein lies the problem. There are a couple of alternatives I see (short of running multiple industry tracks). We assume that the audience will have a very low understanding of the space and aim for an 'awareness' agenda - in which case we can't expect anyone who is already doing this to give this much of their time. We assume that the attendees know a lot and hence there is no need for all the 'intro stuff' and we dive straight into deep content. The issue here is that you immediately lose those people who can't keep up. It is a real challenge I know, but I do think we need to start by identifying just who might attend this and hence tailor the agenda to that audience... Do we have a breakdown of what sort of people have attended the industry track at previous GGF events? Is that where we need to start on this? Thanks, John Senior Consulting IT Specialist and Technical Staff Member IBM Systems & Technology Group Infrastructure Innovation Int: 7-313796. Ext: +44-1256-343796 "Dave Berry" <daveb@nesc.ac.uk > To Sent by: <ogf20pc@ogf.org> ogf20pc-bounces@o cc gf.org Subject [ogf20pc] Thoughts on the OGF20 17/10/2006 10:14 industry track Dear PC members, I've discussed this industry track within the Grid Computing Now project and we've come up with some thoughts on the general outline of the event. These seem to be in line with what we discussed on the first telcon. I'd like to take this further on tomorrow's call, as I'm sure you will have thoughts to add. I think we need to agree on an outline at this level quickly so that we can then progress to a more detailed plan. 1. Audience. We want to target IT leaders who are potential users of Grid and related technologies. The aim is to raise awareness of what these technologies can do for business now, rather than to sell a grand vision (although that can be there in the background). 2. Marketing. We believe the industry track needs to be marketed as a separate component of the main event. We don't mean this in the way of establishing a separate annual event a la GridWorld, but the industry track should have a name of its own and people should be able to register easily for just the days of the industry track. This target audience is unlikely to be interested in the other activities of OGF20 (at least, not yet...). E.g. we could call the track "Grids Mean Business", hosted by OGF & GCN; the registration page would have "Grids Mean Business" as one option for registration (and this would register people for the relevant days of OGF20). 3. Setting the scene. We need an opening presentation (or set of presentations) that give an introduction to modern computing infrastructures (Virtualisation, SOA and Web Services, Grid), introducing the key concepts and their relationships. We should stress that we're not purist about the meaning of "Grid"'; we use whatever works to solve business problems. 4. We need a mixture of case studies and discussion panels, covering issues such as: utility computing; data centre grids; software as a service (perhaps leading to Grid markets), collaborative Grids (e.g. supply chains). These should focus on solving business problems. Ideally the case studies will cover several sectors so that we can market the event within those sectors. 5. Then we need to cover issues of scaling, leading to the challenges of truly large-scale resource managment. I look forward to hearing your suggestions and comments. Best wishes, Dave Berry Technology Lead, Grid Computing Now! National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc