* Present: Dave Wallom Karen Kus John Easton Dave Berry Geoffrey Fox Ian Osborne Bob Cohen Kimmo Koski Brooklin Gore William Fellows Satoshi Sekiguchi Hannelore Hammerle Neil Chue Hong Wolfgang Gentzsch John Brooke Malcolm Atkinson David Fergusson * Agenda Suggestions for speakers and proposals - general - e-science - keynote - Grids Mean Business - other enterprise sessions - Next steps * General Satoshi approached industry people in the commercial and private sector. They are not interested in academically high level discussion. They want to hear about day to day business. They question benefit because of the costs associated with the event, travel/registration. He is trying to persuade them of the benefits they will gain. There will be other businessmen, so we should play on that. Fotis offerred speakers from Souteastern Europe � SEEGrid and HellasGrid. Bob is recommending speakers from auto and aerospace industry. There is good potential for finding such speakers from Europe because of the projects in Europe that are currently in place. A number of these companies are showing that they are not only saving and making money, but that they are being able to get their cars and planes produced more quickly and into the marketplace more quickly. Malcolm suggested the SIMDAT project. In general we want speakers from a range of countries. In terms of organizing names for sessions, are we going to just invite people or are we going to ask them to submit proposals. We probably need a balance of the two. Even if we invite them we should have them still submit a proposal for uniformity, even though we will automatically accept those we invite. * e-Science Workshops David Wallom is encouraging speakers from e-Science and also HealthGrid. The UK Medical Research Council are looking for a workshop (via Rich Sinnott), so perhaps there is scope for synergy with HealthGrid. A name was suggested as a contact for HealthGrid XXX. Microsoft Research might be encouraged to participate. There was some discussion possible contacts within Microsoft. Shawn Hansen is the main point of contact for Grid outreach, while the team is led by Kyril Faenov. Several of the UK research councils are interested as are the EU FP6 projects. We need to encourage them to propose workshops. There are too many projects to get a presentation each, so we should also encourage them to purchase booths. If they just want to show, they should use exhibition space. If they want to present dialogue they should do so in an escience session. That needs to be spelled out. Hannelore just attended a biomed conference in Helsinki. We may be able to bring in speakers from that conference. We need to determine requirements as to success stories. Just telling their stories is not enough. Hannelore will send info on who was there and what they spoke on to determine appropriateness. David Wallom encouraging speakers from e-Science and also HealthGrid David Fergusson will put together a proposal for an Education & Training workshop. Malcolm will prompt people to submit a proposal for a data workshop. Wolfgang is proposing an anchor workshop on "Building and operating Community Grids for Production". "Anchor" here means that we would schedule this directly rather than through the CfP - Geoffrey is looking for a workshop that we schedule directly to give a strong foundation to the e-science programme. Wolfgang's suggestion is that this workshop would build on his report about Naregi, EGEE, D-Grid, TeraGrid and UK e-Science. It could include more national or community grids to get their experience and lessons learned for future grid initiatives. We could have a panel in the last session of these reps for their recommendations and advice for others. This idea could fit into Monday since it is a holiday and it will be harder to get commercial people that day. The UK contingent suggested that perhaps the workshop could also look at regional Grids, meaning small 4-5 site Grids operating in a region of a single country, e.g NWGrid. * Keynote We need to make sure that key note speakers are interesting and good speakers as well as having something interesting to say. They should be relevant to a mixed industry & academic audience. Bearing in mind this is a UK OGF, would Rolls Royce Development or R&D be appropriate. There is potential there from the DAME/BROADEN projects. They have been a good example from the industry side. Maybe they could be involved in the industry track if not the key note. Graham Hesketh would be the first point of contact. Another suggestion was for someone from Audi to present what they have done and what they need from Grid technology in the future. Mike Short of O2 (a mobile telco) gave a good presentation at the launch of the London Internet Centre. He also recommended Sir Robin Saxby of ARM and the ITE (http://ir.arm.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=197211&p=irol-govBio&ID=148852). The first session on Wednesday will have Ian Bird speaking about EGEE and someone from OGF speaking about OGF. Paul Strong has offerred his services but perhaps we'd rather have him talk about Ebay on the industry track? * Grids Mean Business Brooklin summarised the aim of this track well. We want to attract people who are new to Grid and leave them thinking this is relevant and "I can do this". ** Setting the scene THis should be an invited session. We need people to explain how a grid fits into the whole scheme of things. Ian and William have done good sessions in this area. We need to contact someone we know who can impact sessions in a positive manner. Some well-chosen case studies (e.g. one compute, one data centre) might also contribute. ** Paths for Adoption Bob recommended a speaker (XXX) from Novartis who could speak about moving from pilot projects into use. Brooklin has approached Nova, who are submitting a proposal. GCN could approach Corus or Trader Media. Ian pointed out that the 451 Group have a document about this topic. ** Grid Markets Several companies might be relevant here. CD02 & First Derivative use clusters and sell software services. Sun and HP sell large-scale utility services. AIMES does the same on a local level. ** Scaling Up Bob said that Glaxo, Zenaca or some of the aerospace or auto companies are relevant here. Audi is doing 2000 simulations a day and have had real problems. They could talk about that. They are struggling managing output. (This might be a very interesting key note. Audi could talk to the community about this is our problem and how can it be solved. The head of technology at Audi who talks about is Knaus. Airbus has the same issue. Manford Harms could talk about that. Bob also mentioned finance companies in this context. Dave suggested Paul Strong of Ebay. ** Security We want to have some discussion on what is involved in running grids and grid security. Sadie Creese in the UK is keen to do something with us on this matter. We want to involve people with as broad an international range as possible with knowledge of secure technology. Standards � We have people from auto or aerospace who have recently spoken about standards that covered security issues that we could approach to speak. ** Collaborative Grids Dave & Ian suggested that this is ideal for SIMDAT and the EU Aerospace and Auto projects. Clearly we need to decide which of them speak here and which in the scaling up session - even more so if we invite Audi to give a keynote. Clemens-August Thole is recommended from SIMDAT. ** Licensing Ian is putting together a licencing panel roundtable. This will set up a couple of industry and user people to discuss applications for user licensing. Looking for a productive discussion. Hannelore has been approached by three groups that would be interested in speaking about Licensing. Talk to them about quickly making the licensing discussion that Dave has be a follow up to the session they had at SC. Ian and Dave will discuss off-line about approaching people with a point of view from the software vendors. John Brooke will talk to Ian about NWGrid in this context. * Other Enterprise sessions Enterprise people from OGF will be continuing the process we have been doing regarding issues on verticals. Some sessions and workshops process is that we have a standards sitting session and then workshops in NC and then a roll up session to develop issues. At OGF 20 we are thinking of doing auto and aero in a single session, as well as pharma and financial services in another session. Some sessions are probably on same day as industry session so there is some trade off and more reason to get financial services people to contribute into these session. We may be able to get some people from New York and Manchester�s financial centers. * Next steps We need to get names on paper of potential speakers. Dave will get this on paper and send out. Next week�s meeting is 6 hours later than today�s meeting. 4 pm Chicago time. 10 pm UK time.