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Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC
by Dave Berry 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

Let me add some background about the overall shape of the event. The plan is to have OGF20 running from Mon-Wed and the colocated EGEE User Forum from Wed-Fri. Therefore the Wednesday will be an overlap day, which will require careful planning between the OGF & EGEE. I envisage the industry track running primarily on Monday & Tuesday, but we can of course make suggestions for the Wednesday if we think it appropriate. One suggestion made at GGF18 was that the PC should arrange a session on Wednesday on "standards meet users", bringing together people working on standards with users of EGEE and other Grids. This seems to fit nicely with John's suggestion. Perhaps we could have a similar session on Tuesday aimed primarily at industry users and feed the results into the Wednesday session? I believe Mark Parsons has been tasked with encouraging EU projects to be involved in the industry track. I believe his remit covers NESSI, BeInGrid and NextGrid as well as EGEE. Mark is on this committee and can join the call on the 6th. We do need to consider our audience. Many of us already in the Grid community have heard some of the stories before, although there are new projects coming on stream now. I'd like to encourage new people along to at least one day of the event. It will have been 5 years since the last GGF/OGF in the UK, so I would hope that we could get people along who haven't been before. We need to think how to accommodate them alongside more regular attenders. Best wishes, Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Easton [mailto:JKJ@uk.ibm.com] > Sent: 27 September 2006 10:10 > To: Dave Berry > Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC > > Whilst the 'value to the business' argument, backed up with some case > studies is useful I wonder whether people are getting fed up > of seeing the > same old industries here? Maybe the time is ripe to look for users / > stories in those industries that aren't perceived to be a > sweet-spot for > grid? > > The other tack here really depends upon how contentious we > want to be... > I'd like to see some discussion about why very few users have > adopted grids > that conform to the very standards that OGF is defining. Why > is Globus > getting little, if any, traction within the business > community and what > needs to be done to fix it? As I said, potentially > contentious, but it > could provoke some good discussions for a panel discussion perhaps? > > I'd also suggest maye getting someone to talk to the OGF > about NESSI and > what they are up to to improve industrial use of grid technologies. > > J > Senior Consulting IT Specialist and Technical Staff Member > IBM Systems & Technology Group Infrastructure Innovation > Int: 7-313796. Ext: +44-1256-343796 > > > > > "Dave Berry" > > <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk > > > > To > Sent by: <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> > > ogf20pc-bounces@o > cc > gf.org > > > Subject > [ogf20pc] Please reply > - > 25/09/2006 17:42 Kick-starting the > industry PC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear PC member, > > I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC > to this OGF20 > PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first > telcons of this > subgroup and to request input. > > No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at > short notice, > so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one > that most people > can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I > explicitly invited > to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of > the following > slots you can attend: > > Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST > > Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST > > Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm > BST / 5pm CST > > Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm > BST / 6pm CST > > In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or > projects) for > sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider > this from the > demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader > audience, who > would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll > collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits > broader discussion, > feel free to mail the list. > > Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone > on the PC, > including all sub-groups. > > Best wishes, > > Dave Berry > Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development > National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street > Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 > _______________________________________________ > ogf20pc mailing list > ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc > > >

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Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC
by Appa, Jamil (UK) 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hi Dave For your information I lead several activities within the SIMDAT EU project and I also represent the project on the Grid Standards Coordination Group (GSCG) lead by Philipp Wieder of NextGrid. Jamil Jamil Appa Tel/Fax: +44 (0) 117 302 8245/8007 Group Leader Mob: +44 (0) 7747 606 788 Integration Technologies Group mailto:Jamil.Appa@baesystems.com ===================================================================== Mathematical Modelling Department BAE SYSTEMS - Advance Technology Centre - Bristol BS34 7QW - UK http://www.baesystems.com/ocs/sharedservices/atc --------------------------------------------------------------------- Grid | Web Services | CFD | Mesh Generation | CAD | PDM | CAE | HPC Aerodynamics | Visualisation | Parallel Computing | Cluster Computing Unix | C++ | Java | Fortran | OpenGL | MPI --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parsons Sent: 27 September 2006 21:57 To: 'Steve Crumb'; 'Dave Berry'; 'John Easton' Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC *** WARNING *** This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Hi, I think that's an excellent idea - the group is formally led by Philipp Wieder of FZJ out of the NextGRID project which I lead and I think he's done a really good job. Cheers, Mark -- Dr Mark I Parsons Commercial Director, EPCC and NeSC The University of Edinburgh James Clerk Maxwell Building Mayfield Road Edinburgh EH9 3JZ UK Phone: +44 131 650 5022 Fax: +44 131 650 6555 Mobile: +44 7770 832 570 > -----Original Message----- > From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org > [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Crumb > Sent: 27 September 2006 15:04 > To: 'Dave Berry'; 'John Easton' > Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC > > Dave, > > While it is fresh in my mind, we may want to have the standards > concertation group led by Phillip Wieder and Wolfgang Ziegler organize > the "standards meets user" session. I was at their group meeting in > Brussels last week during the European Grid Days and their charter > seems very clear to support the standardization activities of the > EC-funded grid projects (at least from the Research side). Mark > Parsons was in the same meeting and might support this idea (or have a > better one). > > Thanks, > > Steve Crumb > Executive Director, OGF > scrumb(a)ogf.org > +1 312-895-5931 (new) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org > [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Berry > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:43 AM > To: John Easton > Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC > > > Let me add some background about the overall shape of the > event. The plan > is to have OGF20 running from Mon-Wed and the colocated EGEE > User Forum from > Wed-Fri. Therefore the Wednesday will be an overlap day, > which will require > careful planning between the OGF & EGEE. I envisage the > industry track > running primarily on Monday & Tuesday, but we can of course > make suggestions > for the Wednesday if we think it appropriate. > > One suggestion made at GGF18 was that the PC should arrange a > session on > Wednesday on "standards meet users", bringing together people > working on > standards with users of EGEE and other Grids. This seems to > fit nicely with > John's suggestion. Perhaps we could have a similar session > on Tuesday aimed > primarily at industry users and feed the results into the > Wednesday session? > > I believe Mark Parsons has been tasked with encouraging EU > projects to be > involved in the industry track. I believe his remit covers > NESSI, BeInGrid > and NextGrid as well as EGEE. Mark is on this committee and > can join the > call on the 6th. > > We do need to consider our audience. Many of us already in the Grid > community have heard some of the stories before, although > there are new > projects coming on stream now. I'd like to encourage new > people along to at > least one day of the event. It will have been 5 years since the last > GGF/OGF in the UK, so I would hope that we could get people along who > haven't been before. We need to think how to accommodate > them alongside > more regular attenders. > > Best wishes, > > Dave. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Easton [mailto:JKJ@uk.ibm.com] > > Sent: 27 September 2006 10:10 > > To: Dave Berry > > Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > > Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC > > > > Whilst the 'value to the business' argument, backed up with > some case > > studies is useful I wonder whether people are getting fed > up of seeing > > the same old industries here? Maybe the time is ripe to look for > > users / stories in those industries that aren't perceived to be a > > sweet-spot for > > grid? > > > > The other tack here really depends upon how contentious we > > want to be... > > I'd like to see some discussion about why very few users have > > adopted grids > > that conform to the very standards that OGF is defining. Why > > is Globus > > getting little, if any, traction within the business > > community and what > > needs to be done to fix it? As I said, potentially > > contentious, but it > > could provoke some good discussions for a panel discussion perhaps? > > > > I'd also suggest maye getting someone to talk to the OGF > > about NESSI and > > what they are up to to improve industrial use of grid technologies. > > > > J > > Senior Consulting IT Specialist and Technical Staff Member > IBM Systems > > & Technology Group Infrastructure Innovation > > Int: 7-313796. Ext: +44-1256-343796 > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Berry" > > > > <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk > > > > > > > To > > Sent by: <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> > > > > ogf20pc-bounces@o > > cc > > gf.org > > > > > > Subject > > [ogf20pc] Please reply > > - > > 25/09/2006 17:42 Kick-starting the > > industry PC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear PC member, > > > > I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC > > to this OGF20 > > PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first > > telcons of this > > subgroup and to request input. > > > > No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at > > short notice, > > so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one > > that most people > > can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I > > explicitly invited > > to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of > > the following > > slots you can attend: > > > > Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm > BST / 5pm CST > > > > Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm > BST / 5pm CST > > > > Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm > > BST / 5pm CST > > > > Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm > > BST / 6pm CST > > > > In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or > > projects) for > > sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider > > this from the > > demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader > > audience, who > > would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll > > collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits > > broader discussion, > > feel free to mail the list. > > > > Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone > > on the PC, > > including all sub-groups. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Dave Berry > > Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National > > e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street > > Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 > > _______________________________________________ > > ogf20pc mailing list > > ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ogf20pc mailing list > ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc > > > _______________________________________________ > ogf20pc mailing list > ogf20pc(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. 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Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC
by Dave Berry 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Dear all, >From the responses it seems that the 6th is best for most people, with a strong suggestion that we also meet on the 18th. Therefore I will book 1 hour conference calls at the following times. Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm BST / 6pm CST I'll send out the call details in due course. Best wishes, Dave. _____ From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Berry Sent: 25 September 2006 17:42 To: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC Dear PC member, I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC to this OGF20 PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first telcons of this subgroup and to request input. No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at short notice, so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one that most people can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I explicitly invited to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of the following slots you can attend: Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or projects) for sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider this from the demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader audience, who would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits broader discussion, feel free to mail the list. Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone on the PC, including all sub-groups. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039

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Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC
by Dave Berry 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Dear PC member, I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC to this OGF20 PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first telcons of this subgroup and to request input. No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at short notice, so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one that most people can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I explicitly invited to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of the following slots you can attend: Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm BST / 6pm CST In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or projects) for sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider this from the demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader audience, who would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits broader discussion, feel free to mail the list. Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone on the PC, including all sub-groups. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039

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Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC
by Gary Tyreman 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

I can join October 6 or 18th ... will think about other input. _____ From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Berry Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:42 PM To: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC Dear PC member, I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC to this OGF20 PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first telcons of this subgroup and to request input. No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at short notice, so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one that most people can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I explicitly invited to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of the following slots you can attend: Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm BST / 6pm CST In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or projects) for sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider this from the demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader audience, who would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits broader discussion, feel free to mail the list. Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone on the PC, including all sub-groups. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039

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Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC
by Wolfgang Gentzsch 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Me too: 6 and/or 18. Ideally 6 AND 18, because we need to get off the ground quickly, IMHO. And I like Paul's strong problem/solution/$ driven discussion suggestion :-) Wolfgang _____ From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of william fellows Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:04 AM To: Strong, Paul Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC Hi I make the 6th or 18th Agreed - time to show some of the value, hard and soft Cheers William On 26 Sep 2006, at 00:53, Strong, Paul wrote: I can make any of these, assuming they are 1 hour in duration. I would like to see presentations/etc. along the lines of. "I saved $Xm per year by using Grid management technology Y" by CIO of Z "We can get a new application to market in X days from conception thanks to..".CTO of A "I solved problem B by using C.." and so forth. In essence I think we definitely need a problem/solution/$ driven discussion. Of course the technology is sexy, but if we are to get interest we have to attach the discussion to the top or bottom line in some way. Just me two shiny new pence. Paul _____ From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Brooklin Gore Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:36 PM To: Gary Tyreman; Dave Berry; ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC I also like the 6th and will also think further about the speakers. I've got a list to go through of good candidates. ~Brooklin _____ From: Gary Tyreman <gtyreman(a)platform.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:17:54 -0400 To: Dave Berry <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk>, <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> Conversation: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC I can join October 6 or 18th . will think about other input. _____ From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] <mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org%5d> On Behalf Of Dave Berry Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:42 PM To: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: [ogf20pc] Please reply - Kick-starting the industry PC Dear PC member, I have subscribed everyone who agreed to join the industry PC to this OGF20 PC mailing list. The next steps are to arrange the first telcons of this subgroup and to request input. No doubt it will be difficult to get all of us on a telcon at short notice, so I'm offerring a choice of times; we'll go with the one that most people can make. If you are on the industry sub-group (i.e. I explicitly invited to join earlier in the month), please let me know which of the following slots you can attend: Friday 6th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Monday 9th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 8am PDT / 10am CDT / 11am EDT / 4pm BST / 5pm CST Wednesday 18th October: 9am PDT / 11am CDT / 12am EDT / 5pm BST / 6pm CST In addition, please propose keynote speakers, speakers (or projects) for sessions, topics for panels, etc. We should also consider this from the demand side - if we aim to spread the Grid news to a broader audience, who would IT managers, CIOs and budding entrepeneurs like to hear? I'll collate suggestions but if you have a topic that merits broader discussion, feel free to mail the list. Note that this mailing list will eventually include everyone on the PC, including all sub-groups. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 _____ _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc

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