November 2006 - ogf20pc - lists.ogf.org

OGF20 PC update
by Dave Berry 17 Nov '06

17 Nov '06

Dear PC, We've had some useful meetings at SC06, which have confirmed the overall structure of the joint event, including timing of plenaries, receptions, etc., and also a draft outline of the e-Science tracks. I will now take this a stage further and produce a straw man programme which will suggest which rooms will be assigned to each track as each time. Once I've completed this I will ask the list for comments. There will be calls for participation in the E-Science and Industry programmes. I was asked to produce a list of PC members grouped by function - which makes sense, given that there are a large number of us. I've grouped you into Standards, E-Science, Industry/Enterprise, Geographical and Operational. This is not an exact science as some members will have overlapping concerns. Please let me know if you think you should be listed in a different group. Subgroups may meet to discuss particular aspects of the programme - as we've already done for the industry track - but the whole committee will see the developing programme. In particular, the geographical members are welcome to comment on any aspect of the programme that affects them, as well as encouraging people from their areas to contribute to the success of the event. I would like to welcome Satoshi Sekiguchi (Japan) and Max Lemke (European Commision) to the committee. Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 List of Members ----------------------- e-Science Geoffrey Fox (Indiana) David Wallom (Oxford) David Fergusson (Edinburgh) Malcolm Atkinson (Edinburgh) David de Roure (Southampton) Stephen McGough (London) Standards Steven Newhouse (OMII) Chris Higgins (Edinburgh: OGC) Neil Chue Hong (Edinburgh) Geographical Fotis Karayannis (Greece) John O'Callaghan (Australia) Jysoo Lee (Korea) Peter Kacsuk (Hungary) Kimmo Koski (Finland) Rosa Badia (Spain) Victor Alessandrini (France) Vincent Breton (France) Satoshi Sekiguchi (Japan) Max Lemke (European Commision) Industry/Enterprise Jim Austin (York) Bob Cohen (ESI) Brooklin Gore (Micron) Craig Lee (Aerospace) Douglas Mckinley (Metaware) Gary Tyreman (Platform) Ian Osborne (Grid Computing Now!) John Brooke (Manchester) Jamil Appa (BAE systems) John Easton (IBM) John Barr (Intel) Guy Lonsdale (NEC) Mark Parsons (EPCC) Martin Walker (HP) Paul Watson (Newcastle) Paul Strong (Ebay) Ron Perrott (Belfast) Robert Fogel (Intel) Steve Caughey (Arjuna) William Fellows (The 451 Group) Operations (Local, OGF staff, EGEE, etc.) Dave Berry (PC Chair) Wolfgang Gentzsch (General Chair) Ann Collins (OGF Office) Steve Crumb (OGF Office) Joel Replogle (OGF Office) Gwen Nichols-White (OGF Office) Erwin Laure (EGEE) Hannelore Hammerle (EGEE) Massimo Lamanna (EGEE) Robin Middleton (EGEE) Terry Hewitt (Local Organising Committee) Rizos Sakellariou (Local Organising Committee) Rob Procter (Local Organising Committee) Roger Barlow (Local Organising Committee) Stephen Pickles (Local Organising Committee)

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Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track
by Ian Osborne 15 Nov '06

15 Nov '06

Dave, I've been speaking to William Fellows and exchanged emails with Dave Wallom and I would like to target a session on Software Licensing for the industry track at OGF 20. It's a topic which is gaining momentum in the marketplace as end users begin to adopt virtualisation more aggressively, and with the emergence of multi-core and server (Hardware) virtualisation capabilities, the problems that grid has always had look to be multiplying along several dimensions. The basic plan would be to offer a view of user requirements for licensing models and encourage an industry response. Its early days, but I have started a work stream aimed at this, targeting OGF20 for a roundtable, possibly covered by a media partner. Be interested to get feedback from the program committee on this idea too! Ian Ian Osborne Project Director, Intellect Grid Computing Now! Knowledge Transfer Network www.gridcomputingnow.org <http://www.gridcomputingnow.org/> M: +44 (0) 7793 258219 T: +44 (0) 20 7331 2054 ian.osborne(a)intellectuk.org <mailto:ian.osborne@intellectuk.org> www.intellectuk.org <http://www.intellectuk.org/> ________________________________ From: ogf20pc-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogf20pc-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Berry Sent: 14 November 2006 18:20 To: Brooklin Gore; bcohen(a)bway.net Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track I agree with Bob's explanation here. I see these as two related tracks. The program I mailed out is aimed at new users and would be one track. Bob's requirements workshop would run alongside and be aimed at established users. We have just moved the industry track to Tuesday & Wednesday (because Monday will be a public holiday in the UK). We could probably schedule the requirements workshops on either day - I'll talk offline with Bob about this. Are there other industry & enterprise sessions that we want to schedule (or indeed issue a call for)? Best wishes, Dave. ________________________________ From: Brooklin Gore [mailto:bgore@micron.com] Sent: 14 November 2006 17:48 To: bcohen(a)bway.net Cc: Dave Berry; ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track Ok, that is helpful. Also helpful to hear from John Brooke that there is a good concentration of pharma startups in the Manchester area that should be easy to attract to the show. Thanks all, ~Brooklin ________________________________ From: Robert Cohen <bcohen(a)bway.net> Reply-To: <bcohen(a)bway.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:33:47 -0500 To: Brooklin Gore <bgore(a)micron.com> Cc: Dave Berry <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk>, <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track Hi Brooklin, I am not sure that you are aware of what the Industry Group was trying to do in Washington at GGF18, but we had two sessions with industry people with extensive experience using Grids. The idea is to get industry oriented users to pinpoint issues they face in using Grids (issues that will probably prove to be similar to what other firms in that industry will face). These issues are to feed into an exercise that is part of promoting greater collaboration between the standards side of OGF and the Enterprise/Science side. Issues from the user side can identify areas where advances in standards would be most helpful to users in industry and science. In the Washington sessions, there was certainly evidence from users that Grids were adding value and could be used at a wide range of firms in the sectors that were part of the discussion. There were also a number of attendees that were relatively new users of Grids. In previous discussions of the OGF20PC, there was no attempt to have the industry sessions be the only sessions available for users to attend. But the idea was to continue the process that was begun in Washington. If many people feel that is not a productive way to move ahead, the entire process should be canned. Bob Cohen Brooklin Gore wrote: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track I'm still a little confused with the concept on industry tracks like auto and pharma, etc. I wonder how many businesses 'new' to the grid would be attracted by these sessions. Certainly one or two companies from this segment doing a case study on why the grid is good for their business (with elements that could be applied to other companies not yet doing grid) would be great, I just don't understand the value of branding along an industry segment. I think every presentation should make attendees not using grid yet 1) want to come and 2) walk away beleiving 1) this stuff is really adding business value 2) we can use this stuff. ~Brooklin ________________________________ From: Robert Cohen <bcohen(a)bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> Reply-To: <bcohen(a)bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:08:00 -0500 To: Dave Berry <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk> <mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk> <mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk> , <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> <mailto:ogf20pc@ogf.org> <mailto:ogf20pc@ogf.org> Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track Dave, This looks ok, but it does leave out the main sessions for the industry track that we had discussed that would be parallel sessions on Tuesday. These would include the sessions from the draft "Straw man OGF20 industry": Also on Tuesday: Enterprise Requirements workshops These are scheduled to run at the same time as the "Issues in Grids" sessions. We can take advantage of the people attending these workshops to give presentations in other sessions, e.g. in the Collaborative Grids session. 11:00-12:30: Auto & Aerospace industry requirements 16:00-17:30: Pharma industry requirements 18:00-19:30 Requirements roll-up meeting It would be useful to have the Collaboration Grids session after the Auto and Aerospace industry requirements meeting so that people from the requirements session could present there. Bob Cohen Dave Berry wrote: Dear PC, At the last meeting of industry sub-committee I took a task to prepare an outline of the industry track, as we understand it so far, that people could give to potential participants. I have now done this and attach the result. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc ________________________________ _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################

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Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track
by Dave Berry 14 Nov '06

14 Nov '06

I agree with Bob's explanation here. I see these as two related tracks. The program I mailed out is aimed at new users and would be one track. Bob's requirements workshop would run alongside and be aimed at established users. We have just moved the industry track to Tuesday & Wednesday (because Monday will be a public holiday in the UK). We could probably schedule the requirements workshops on either day - I'll talk offline with Bob about this. Are there other industry & enterprise sessions that we want to schedule (or indeed issue a call for)? Best wishes, Dave. _____ From: Brooklin Gore [mailto:bgore@micron.com] Sent: 14 November 2006 17:48 To: bcohen(a)bway.net Cc: Dave Berry; ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track Ok, that is helpful. Also helpful to hear from John Brooke that there is a good concentration of pharma startups in the Manchester area that should be easy to attract to the show. Thanks all, ~Brooklin _____ From: Robert Cohen <bcohen(a)bway.net> Reply-To: <bcohen(a)bway.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:33:47 -0500 To: Brooklin Gore <bgore(a)micron.com> Cc: Dave Berry <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk>, <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track Hi Brooklin, I am not sure that you are aware of what the Industry Group was trying to do in Washington at GGF18, but we had two sessions with industry people with extensive experience using Grids. The idea is to get industry oriented users to pinpoint issues they face in using Grids (issues that will probably prove to be similar to what other firms in that industry will face). These issues are to feed into an exercise that is part of promoting greater collaboration between the standards side of OGF and the Enterprise/Science side. Issues from the user side can identify areas where advances in standards would be most helpful to users in industry and science. In the Washington sessions, there was certainly evidence from users that Grids were adding value and could be used at a wide range of firms in the sectors that were part of the discussion. There were also a number of attendees that were relatively new users of Grids. In previous discussions of the OGF20PC, there was no attempt to have the industry sessions be the only sessions available for users to attend. But the idea was to continue the process that was begun in Washington. If many people feel that is not a productive way to move ahead, the entire process should be canned. Bob Cohen Brooklin Gore wrote: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track I'm still a little confused with the concept on industry tracks like auto and pharma, etc. I wonder how many businesses 'new' to the grid would be attracted by these sessions. Certainly one or two companies from this segment doing a case study on why the grid is good for their business (with elements that could be applied to other companies not yet doing grid) would be great, I just don't understand the value of branding along an industry segment. I think every presentation should make attendees not using grid yet 1) want to come and 2) walk away beleiving 1) this stuff is really adding business value 2) we can use this stuff. ~Brooklin _____ From: Robert Cohen <bcohen(a)bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> Reply-To: <bcohen(a)bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> <mailto:bcohen@bway.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:08:00 -0500 To: Dave Berry <daveb(a)nesc.ac.uk> <mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk> <mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk> , <ogf20pc(a)ogf.org> <mailto:ogf20pc@ogf.org> <mailto:ogf20pc@ogf.org> Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Draft outline for industry track Dave, This looks ok, but it does leave out the main sessions for the industry track that we had discussed that would be parallel sessions on Tuesday. These would include the sessions from the draft "Straw man OGF20 industry": Also on Tuesday: Enterprise Requirements workshops These are scheduled to run at the same time as the "Issues in Grids" sessions. We can take advantage of the people attending these workshops to give presentations in other sessions, e.g. in the Collaborative Grids session. 11:00-12:30: Auto & Aerospace industry requirements 16:00-17:30: Pharma industry requirements 18:00-19:30 Requirements roll-up meeting It would be useful to have the Collaboration Grids session after the Auto and Aerospace industry requirements meeting so that people from the requirements session could present there. Bob Cohen Dave Berry wrote: Dear PC, At the last meeting of industry sub-committee I took a task to prepare an outline of the industry track, as we understand it so far, that people could give to potential participants. I have now done this and attach the result. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039 _____ _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc _____ _______________________________________________ ogf20pc mailing list ogf20pc(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf20pc

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Slides for today's discussion
by Steve Crumb 14 Nov '06

14 Nov '06

Attached are a set of slides that we will use to guide our discussion today. We will be in the Ybor Room on the second floor of the Hyatt Regency. For those of you who cannot attend this meeting in person, you may use the following dial-in information: Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): 1-866-875-2241 International Dial-In Number: +1-832 445-1174 Conference Code- 8755618 Thanks, Steve Crumb Executive Director, OGF scrumb(a)ogf.org +1 312-895-5931 (new)

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Draft outline for industry track
by Dave Berry 14 Nov '06

14 Nov '06

Dear PC, At the last meeting of industry sub-committee I took a task to prepare an outline of the industry track, as we understand it so far, that people could give to potential participants. I have now done this and attach the result. Best wishes, Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039

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Re: [ogf20pc] (no subject)
by Malcolm Atkinson 11 Nov '06

11 Nov '06

Thank you Ann. I was worried when I saw OGF2 and thought maybe we had gone back on our commitment to numbering onwards from GGF18 - I was glad to see later that this was a typo <((-:) I find it disquieting that programme content will not be discussed at this meeting. I thought we agreed in GGF18 that there would be a PC meeting at SC06 to finalise the general form of the programme. I cannot see how responsibilities for doing things can be divorced from decisions on what we are doing. If we are investing so much time we should be making definitive and binding decisions. We should also be well advanced in developing the programme. See you there Malcolm _____ From: Ann Collins [mailto:collins@ogf.org] Sent: 10 November 2006 22:42 To: bob.jones(a)cern.ch; Stephen.Pickles(a)manchester.ac.uk; Malcolm Atkinson; 'Mark Parsons'; 'Linesch, Mark'; scrumb(a)ogf.org; 'Joel Replogle'; 'Fogel, Robert'; gcf(a)indiana.edu; 'Craig Lee'; Dave Berry; 'Erwin Laure'; 'John Ehrig'; 'Steven Newhouse'; 'Middleton, RP (Robin)'; w.t.hewitt(a)man.ac.uk Cc: ogf20pc(a)ogf.org Subject: Importance: High All, As a reminder, we are planning to hold our OGF2 Workshop during SC6 next week. Logistics are as follows: When: Tuesday, 14-Nov, 10am-2pm (with extended time until 4pm for additional discussions) Where: Hyatt Regency Tampa, Ybor Room (pronounced EE-BOR), second floor (floorplan attached), located 4 blocks from the convention center. Why: To discuss OGF20 details and come to clear consensus on roles/responsibilities, etc. Program content will not be discussed at this time. For those of you who cannot attend this meeting in person, you may use the following dial-in information: Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): 1-866-875-2241 International Dial-In Number: +1-832 445-1174 Conference Code- 8755618 Strawman agenda: * OGF20 Marketing/Branding * Roles/Responsibilities (Partners, OGF, etc.) * Business Model (risk/reward, fees, sponsorship model) * Program criteria Coffee Breaks and lunch will be provided. Please let me know if you have any questions. Looking forward to your participation next week, Thank you, Ann ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ann M. Collins Program Manager, Events Open Grid Forum 15700 103rd Street, Suite 210 Lemont, IL 60439 Phone: +1-312-895-5932 Fax: +1-630-991-2923 Mobile: +1-630-715-1943 Mail to: collins(a)ogf.org **NEW**

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OGF20 PC update
by Dave Berry 10 Nov '06

10 Nov '06

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(no subject)
by Ann Collins 10 Nov '06

10 Nov '06

All, As a reminder, we are planning to hold our OGF2 Workshop during SC6 next week. Logistics are as follows: When: Tuesday, 14-Nov, 10am-2pm (with extended time until 4pm for additional discussions) Where: Hyatt Regency Tampa, Ybor Room (pronounced EE-BOR), second floor (floorplan attached), located 4 blocks from the convention center. Why: To discuss OGF20 details and come to clear consensus on roles/responsibilities, etc. Program content will not be discussed at this time. For those of you who cannot attend this meeting in person, you may use the following dial-in information: Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): 1-866-875-2241 International Dial-In Number: +1-832 445-1174 Conference Code- 8755618 Strawman agenda: * OGF20 Marketing/Branding * Roles/Responsibilities (Partners, OGF, etc.) * Business Model (risk/reward, fees, sponsorship model) * Program criteria Coffee Breaks and lunch will be provided. Please let me know if you have any questions. Looking forward to your participation next week, Thank you, Ann ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ann M. Collins Program Manager, Events Open Grid Forum 15700 103rd Street, Suite 210 Lemont, IL 60439 Phone: +1-312-895-5932 Fax: +1-630-991-2923 Mobile: +1-630-715-1943 Mail to: collins(a)ogf.org **NEW**

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Re: [ogf20pc] OGF20 Meeting at SC06
by Erwin Laure 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

Hi Ann et al., Please find in the attachment input from EGEE for the SC06 meeting. Cheers, -- Erwin

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