Re: [occi-wg] Is OCCI the HTTP of Cloud Computing?
Hi Randy, Many verbs can be interpreted in different ways, as long as there is an agreement to what each verb means, then I don't see an issue. Stop seems pretty clear to me, maybe I'm just missing something. Regards, Kristoffer Sheather ---------------------------------------- From: Randy Bias <randyb@gogrid.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 8:31 AM To: Tino Vazquez <tinova@fdi.ucm.es>, Chris Webb <chris.webb@elastichosts.com> Subject: Re: [occi-wg] Is OCCI the HTTP of Cloud Computing? Clone is dangerous. Please define what you mean. As far as I can tell everyone means something difference. For pass one I'd prefer to avoid verbs that aren't very specific, like 'stop'. Heck, even with stop we have differences. 'Clone' is incredibly overloaded and has lots of expectations associated with it. --Randy On 5/6/09 9:01 AM, "Tino Vazquez" wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to see a clone verb (or maybe attribute, not sure about this) for drives, also maybe as an extension. I'm thinking on implementations sharing images using shared storage, this will allow to use those images directly, and obviously "cloning" set to "no" will make this image persistent automatically. What do you think?
About the choice of format, as much as I like XML and Atom specially, I would advocate for the "simpler is nicer" principle is there is nothing that proves that it can do things that simple text or even JSON (from which I can see benefits for machine and human readibility) simply can´t, which also I haven't seen so far (Sam, please, correct me if I am wrong).
Regards,
-Tino
-- Constantino Vázquez, Grid Technology Engineer/Researcher: http://www.dsa-research.org/tinova DSA Research Group: http://dsa-research.org Globus GridWay Metascheduler: http://www.GridWay.org OpenNebula Virtual Infrastructure Engine: http://www.OpenNebula.org
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Chris Webb wrote:
Alexis Richardson writes:
Chris, if you think we have a choice to make please could you describe the options we have to choose from in more detail.
I think Richard has just beaten me to it! However, more generally, I think that before we can even have these discussions about formats, we should confirm that we're all on the same page with regard to the semantic building blocks:
http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.occi-wg/wiki/NounsVe rbsAndAttributes
I think Richard, Sam, Andy and I have all hacked at this page. Would anyone else like to comment or is there general consensus around these basic nouns, verbs and attributes?
Cheers,
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Does stop mean the VM is persisted? On Amazon it¹s a no, GoGrid it¹s a yes. That¹s one example of what I mean. But I think we can work around that. I¹m more concerned about something like clone¹ because it¹s a lot more overloaded than a simple stop¹. --Randy On 5/6/09 7:02 PM, "Cloud Central - Kristoffer Sheather" <kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au> wrote:
Hi Randy,
Many verbs can be interpreted in different ways, as long as there is an agreement to what each verb means, then I don't see an issue. Stop seems pretty clear to me, maybe I'm just missing something.
Regards, Kristoffer Sheather
From: Randy Bias <randyb@gogrid.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 8:31 AM To: Tino Vazquez <tinova@fdi.ucm.es>, Chris Webb <chris.webb@elastichosts.com> Subject: Re: [occi-wg] Is OCCI the HTTP of Cloud Computing?
Clone is dangerous. Please define what you mean. As far as I can tell everyone means something difference.
For pass one I'd prefer to avoid verbs that aren't very specific, like 'stop'. Heck, even with stop we have differences.
'Clone' is incredibly overloaded and has lots of expectations associated with it.
--Randy
On 5/6/09 9:01 AM, "Tino Vazquez" wrote:
Hi everyone,
I would like to see a clone verb (or maybe attribute, not sure about this) for drives, also maybe as an extension. I'm thinking on implementations sharing images using shared storage, this will allow to use those images directly, and obviously "cloning" set to "no" will make this image persistent automatically. What do you think?
About the choice of format, as much as I like XML and Atom specially, I would advocate for the "simpler is nicer" principle is there is nothing that proves that it can do things that simple text or even JSON (from which I can see benefits for machine and human readibility) simply can´t, which also I haven't seen so far (Sam, please, correct me if I am wrong).
Regards,
-Tino
-- Constantino Vázquez, Grid Technology Engineer/Researcher: http://www.dsa-research.org/tinova DSA Research Group: http://dsa-research.org Globus GridWay Metascheduler: http://www.GridWay.org OpenNebula Virtual Infrastructure Engine: http://www.OpenNebula.org
Alexis Richardson writes:
> Chris, if you think we have a choice to make please could you describe > the options we have to choose from in more detail.
I think Richard has just beaten me to it! However, more generally, I
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Chris Webb wrote: think
that before we can even have these discussions about formats, we should confirm that we're all on the same page with regard to the semantic building blocks:
http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.occi-wg/wiki/NounsVe
rbsAndAttributes
I think Richard, Sam, Andy and I have all hacked at this page. Would anyone else like to comment or is there general consensus around these basic nouns, verbs and attributes?
Cheers,
Chris. _______________________________________________ occi-wg mailing list occi-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg
occi-wg mailing list occi-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg
-- Randy Bias, VP Technology Strategy, GoGrid randyb@gogrid.com, (415) 939-8507 [mobile] BLOG: http://neotactics.com/blog, TWITTER: twitter.com/randybias
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