I ditto..Richard's JSON, and single format rather than multi On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Krishna Sankar (ksankar) <ksankar@cisco.com
wrote:
Richard, Thanks for the summary.
a) As a JSON proponent, agree on your observation that we should do JSON rendering on it's own right. If you guys take the lead, would be happy to pitch-in, (as much as time allows of course). b) I support the single format than multi.
Cheers <k/>
|-----Original Message----- |From: occi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:occi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf |Of Richard Davies |Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:42 AM |To: occi-wg@ogf.org |Subject: Re: [occi-wg] Voting result | |The list has thankfully gone quiet, so I've recounted the votes since my |previous post. We are now at: | | 10 JSON, 5 XML, 2 TXT | |I don't consider this as a vote for a decision, but do think it has |drawn |out a lot of opinions and shown the lay of the land more clearly - in |the |light of the votes, the only two viable options are: | |- Single-format: JSON |- Multi-format: JSON + XML + ?TXT | |The list has also been fairly evenly split on whether multiple format |support makes sense or not (independent of the choice of the single |format). | | |I see three conclusions going forward: | |1) Continue our specification in terms of the model (nouns, verbs, |attributes, semantics of these, how these are linked together) with both |JSON and XML renderings of this being explored on the wiki. We can |decide |later if we run with both or just JSON. | |There is still work here - e.g. verbs and attributes on networks have |not |been specified, nor have we agreed fully the _model_ of how we link |servers |to storage and networks. | |Thanks to Alexander Papaspyrou, Andy Edmonds: |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000461.html |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000444.html | | |2) The JSON vs. XML debate is not just about angle-brackets vs. |curly-brackets. | |Amongst the XML supporters, I have seen little opposition to a |GData/Atom |meta-model around the nouns/verbs/attributes. [Tim Bray, who co-chaired |the |IETF Atom working group, felt it was the wrong choice, but then he |doesn't |support using XML at all in this context] | |However, many(/all?) of the JSON supporters seem to want a lighter |meta-model around the nouns/verbs/attributes. For instance, they would |probably prefer fixed actuator URLs to passing these in the feed, and |would |likely transmit flatter hashes of noun attributes rather than following |Atom |conventions the structure of links, attributes, etc. within an object. | |Thanks to Ben Black, Andy Edmonds: |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000395.html |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000420.html | |My conclusion from this is that we should not develop the JSON rendering |in |terms of an XSLT transform from the XML rendering, and should not go for |"GData-JSON". We will need these automatic transforms eventually, but we |should develop the JSON rendering in its own right, thinking about what |works well for JSON, and then later work out how we'll auto transform |back |and forth. | |Do the 10 JSON supporters agree with this, or have I misjudged it and |there |is actually strong support for GData-JSON? | |Myself and Chris would be happy to lead developing the JSON rendering it |its |own right if people agree with my statements above and hence that it |does |need independent development (from the same set of nouns/verb/attributes |and |semantics). | | |3) I suggest we(/I!) stop discussing TXT for now. If we go multi-format |then |we should probably have it, but Chris has demonstrated how it can be |trivially transformed back and forth from JSON. | |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000451.html | | |Cheers, | |Richard. | |========================================== | |JSON: 10 |- Alexis Richardson http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000405.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000405.html> |- Andy Edmonds http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000420.html |- Ben Black http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000395.html |- Krishna Sankar http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000455.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000455.html> |- Mark Masterson http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000440.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000440.html> |- Michael Richardson (private mail to me) |- Randy Bias? (JSON listed first at |http://wiki.gogrid.com/wiki/index.php/API:Anatomy_of_a_GoGrid_API_Call) |- Richard Davies http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000409.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000409.html>(split EH vote) |- Tino Vazquez? http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000411.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000411.html> |- Tim Bray http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000418.html | |XML: 5 |- Chuck W http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000448.html |- Gary Mazz http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000470.html |- Kristoffer Sheather http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000430.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000430.html> |- Sam Johnston http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000381.html |- William Vambenepe http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000396.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000396.html> | |TXT: 2 |- Andre Merzky http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000447.html |- Chris Webb http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000409.html |(split EH vote) | |Single: 3 |- Benjamin Black http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000457.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000457.html> |- Tim Bray http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000418.html |- Richard Davies (revised in light of Tim Bray's comments) | |Multi: 3 |- Gary Mazz http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000458.html |- Marc-Elian Begin http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009- |May/000439.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000439.html> |- Sam Johnston http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000445.html |_______________________________________________ |occi-wg mailing list |occi-wg@ogf.org |http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg _______________________________________________ occi-wg mailing list occi-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg
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