Guys, One religious war is already one too many so let's not venture into RAND vs RF territory as well... IETF policy (foolishly IMO) neither restricts nor discourages RAND<http://news.cnet.com/Standards-group-beats-back-patent-foes/2100-1013_3-996351.html>as well but you don't see implementors being taxed for implementing HTTP now, do you. It's no surprise that such policies exist given the makeup of these groups but that doesn't mean we need to pander to them. Thanks Gary for explaining clearly why RAND is simply not going to happen for OCCI (fortunately we don't need it anyway). Sam On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Gary Mazz <garymazzaferro@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the definition "reasonable" in terms of licensing ? What are the hard costs ?
Patent licensing can be a significant obstacle to adoption.
Do you want students and universities sued for using OCCI technology ? Do you want to pay someone else for the work you did here ? Does your companies want to pay a competitor for your contributions here ?
Look below to see what others considered "reasonable".
The OMA DRM (a standards like body) charged $.35 per device with a $566,000 cap. Intertrust another DRM scheme is $3.5m annually and $325,000 per carrier. M$ graces us with only $2.9million and $625,000 per year for carriers.
Look at MP3 licensing rates from Thompson:
BTW, this means EVERYONE providing an open source mp3 player can be prosecuted and sued for up to $15,000 and $5.00 per copy download plus damages.
In other places on their website, Thompson demands 3% of "associated" gross revenue from distributing content with an mp3 format.
Here is the web site for all of you that want to pay a fee for each mp3 player you have: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/
This is pricing from Thompson's public web site:
-gary
Andre Merzky wrote:
Quoting [Sam Johnston] (May 25 2009):
5. Sun Cloud API (CC licensed) ??? AE: Evaluate?
6. Amazon Web Services as ???de-facto??? (i.e. as Euc. and Nimbus have proceeded). ??? AE:public but closed API
If we want to take the middle ground yet not sit on the fence it would be a useful exercise to see what 4 and 5 offer and do not offer? See where our efforts here could improve these published APIs and models?
I've done that myself already but you're welcome to go through the exercise yourself. By my clock you've got less than an hour until you miss our first deadline.
By the way, CC licenses are useless to us without patent pledges.
Please note that OGF sees it as its task to gain such pledges, if the group determines that this is required for the standard to be implementable under "Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory" license terms.
For details, see http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php, and http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies_ipr.php for pledges covering OGSI and OGSA.
"Where the Open Grid Forum knows of rights, or claimed rights, the Open Grid Forum Secretariat shall attempt to obtain from the claimant of such rights, a written assurance that upon approval by the Open Grid Forum of the relevant Open Grid Forum document(s), any party will be able to obtain the right to implement, use and distribute the technology or works when implementing, using or distributing technology based upon the specific specification(s) under openly specified, reasonable, non-discriminatory terms."
Hth, Andre.
Sam on iPhone
From: occi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:occi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Sam Johnston Sent: 25 May 2009 17:07 To: occi-wg@ogf.org Subject: [occi-wg] Unlocking the formats deadlock
Afternoon all,
As you know I spent last week evangelising OCCI at the Cloud Computing Expo in Prague (Monday/Tuesday) and Cloud Computing Expo in London (Wednesday/Thursday), presenting the Introduction to the Open Cloud Computing Interface<http://docs.google.com/Present?docid=ddqm27m2_298fsf9mqdg> presentation at both. I was only scheduled for Prague but the organisers found a spot on the technical track in London too. I also ended up on the panels at both which was even more opportunities to talk about cloud interop. I'll be in Portugal for Cloud Views from Wednesday and will try to get involved in OGF 26 time permitting as well. By now people certainly know we exist and that we're doing real (hopefully good) work.
Unfortunately we're somewhat stuck on the formats decision despite hours of face to face discussion with 1/2 a dozen of the more active working group members (myself, Alexis, Chris & Richard from ElasticHosts and the Fujitsu guys). While this is not at all unusual for technical discussions we do need to fairly urgently find a solution before people (myself included) lose interest and wander off. I can't overstate how important this working group is to the future of cloud computing and both of the alternatives are rather unpalatable:
* On one side we have Amazon EC2 APIs which are not only encumbered but inelegant and inflexible (at least in the context of the enterprise use cases I spend most of my time thinking about - no offense intended). Other APIs designed to expose the functionality of a single implementation fall into the same category and while they meet their specific needs well, we need to expose the current and future functionality of all current and future implementations, not just one today. At the extreme end of the simplicity scale you have text-based APIs which we all now agree won't meet our needs. * At the other end of the scale we have VMware's vCloud API which has been injected into the DMTF process, following in the footsteps of OVF. I fully expect the resulting "open API" to be almost word-for-word identical to the new VMware APIs which is something the DIGISTAN<http://www.digistan.org/> guys call "vendor capture<http://www.digistan.org/open-standard:definition>". Unlike the public cloud APIs, this will be well-suited for enterprise and you can be sure that service providers will deploy VMware en masse to provide it as part of their [semi-]private "I can't believe it's not cloud" offerings. Good on them for being first and forcing the rest of the industry to follow their lead. This working group's job is to find the middle ground - something which is simple enough to be useful for public cloud offerings but extensible enough to be useful for more challenging tasks (e.g. enterprise). This is also critical for hybrid clouds (unless you're all happy to implement DMTF's APIs in addition to your own). The business case is easily justified even if only on the basis of getting access to customers who are currently kicking the tyres with tactical deployments but unable to deploy strategically.
As you know I have been pushing Atom[Pub] hard, perhaps too hard, and the XML-xenophobes have dug their heels in as a result. It was made painfully obvious in London that blanket application of AtomPub to the problem isn't going to fly with at least one of them and to that end I've spent the weekend working on paring it back where it's not absolutely necessary. I've also purchased and read O'Reilly's RESTful Web Services<http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596529260/> book by Leonard Richardson<http://www.crummy.com/> and Sam Ruby from cover to cover and am largely sold on their concept of a Resource Oriented Architecture (ROA)< http://www.infoq.com/resource/articles/richardson-ruby-restful-ws/en/resourc...
- do read this sample chapter if you have time.
Fortunately I think I've found a simple, elegant solution which obviates the need for Atom (at least where collections are not required). I've captured it in a series of 3 blog posts which I'll forward to the list for the sake of convenience and the archives.
Cheers,
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