On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Roger Menday <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:roger.menday@uk.fujitsu.com">roger.menday@uk.fujitsu.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div>Hi Sam, <br><div><br></div><div>not to undervalue your hard work, but in my opinion I don&#39;t think we will be able to make a decision this week. We don&#39;t have all the time in the world, but I don&#39;t fancy rushing a decision on this one. </div>
<div><div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>If you&#39;re right and we can&#39;t make a decision this week (bearing in mind that all the information we need to make it is already on the table) then I fear we&#39;ll not be able to make a decision at all. It certainly wouldn&#39;t be the first working group to lose inertia after getting caught up in a religious debate and it won&#39;t be the last, but we need to draw the line somewhere and get on with the job. Public perception aside, it&#39;s important that we don&#39;t miss the only opportunity we have to gather information from an OGF event rather than wasting even more of everyone&#39;s time.<br>
<br>What more do you need for us to get out of this rut because I&#39;m beginning to lose faith... what started as something I was proud to be involved in is fast becoming an embarassment.<br><br>Sam<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5">All,<br><br>As you know our already extended deadline for the formats discussion passed on Friday. Thijs is now in the unfortunate position of having to explain why we will miss our first self-assigned deliverable deadline (an implementable draft) on Thursday and I know well how it feels to have to stand in front of an audience with nothing to say, having done so twice last week (it&#39;s only with a big &quot;personal vision only&quot; disclaimer that I was able to say anything at the Cloud Computing Expos).<br>
 <br>Iff we can come to consensus about the format today (or at the very latest tomorrow) then we need not watch another deadline sail by and in doing so risk being declared a failure prematurely. Indeed if we can&#39;t achieve even a loose consensus after all the discussion then I may well be the first to say so - my time (and travel!) budget for OCCI has already been well exceeded and the irrelevant RF vs RAND discussion has tested what&#39;s left of my patience. Please focus on the task at hand and if you have any specific issues about the latest proposal then raise them sooner rather than later - I&#39;ve put considerable effort into optimising Atom out for the most common use case (individual resources) over the weekend and by shifting metadata to HTTP headers the resulting descriptor format is far simpler than even I would have thought possible - see <a href="http://forge.ogf.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.occi-wg/wiki/APIDesign" target="_blank">APIDesign</a> for examples.<br>
 <br>On the subject of rolling our own protocol from scratch, I for one am dismissing the suggestion for reasons previously explained. I don&#39;t think this group has (nor needs) what it takes to implement an Internet protocol from the ground up and any attempt to do so would be fraught with danger, not to mention completely unnecessary given the corpus of work done by others at the IETF (who <u>are</u> geared up for such tasks).<br>
 <br>Thanks,<br> <br>Sam<br><br></div></div> _______________________________________________<br>occi-wg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:occi-wg@ogf.org" target="_blank">occi-wg@ogf.org</a><br><a href="http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg" target="_blank">http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg</a><br>
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