Hi, While implementing the pathTrace as described in gfd-r-nsi-policy-public-comment-v6 I stumbled on the following. If an uPA does not support pathTrace it is possible for an AG to detect this if it receives a pathTrace without a path element in the reserve.cf. The text states: If an AG has done additional path finding on the reserve.rq it MUST assemble the child path within the pathTrace element in topological order. The order number in the segment MUST start at zero (0) and MUST be incremented by one (1) for each new segment. Does this mean that the AG should only number the segments from path elements that were actually returned by its children and ignore empty pathTrace elements, or should the AG detect an empty pathTrace element and add an empty segment to the trace? For example, if the uPA of aruba and bonaire do support pathTrace and curacao does not, should it return: <tns:pathTrace xmlns:tns="http://schemas.ogf.org/nsi/2015/04/connection/pathtrace" id="urn:ogf:network:grenada.net:2013:nsa-aggr"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:59d6c0b2-a8e0-4583-ae8a-0fc84eb89f07</connectionId> <path> <segment id="urn:ogf:network:aruba.net:2013:nsa" order="0"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:71d30ed8-f130-4522-a5c5-3d6d2e96fb1e</connectionId> <stp order="0">urn:ogf:network:aruba.net:2013::stpA?vlan=1790</stp> <stp order="1">urn:ogf:network:aruba.net:2013::curacao?vlan=1790</stp> </segment> <segment id="urn:ogf:network:bonaire.net:2013:nsa" order="1"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:b1f0277d-63d5-4e5e-85e8-acd11a5baab9</connectionId> <stp order="0">urn:ogf:network:bonaire.net:2013::curacao?vlan=1790</stp> <stp order="1">urn:ogf:network:bonaire.net:2013::stpZ?vlan=1790</stp> </segment> </path> </tns:pathTrace> Or should it return: <tns:pathTrace xmlns:tns="http://schemas.ogf.org/nsi/2015/04/connection/pathtrace" id="urn:ogf:network:grenada.net:2013:nsa-aggr"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:59d6c0b2-a8e0-4583-ae8a-0fc84eb89f07</connectionId> <path> <segment id="urn:ogf:network:aruba.net:2013:nsa" order="0"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:71d30ed8-f130-4522-a5c5-3d6d2e96fb1e</connectionId> <stp order="0">urn:ogf:network:aruba.net:2013::stpA?vlan=1790</stp> <stp order="1">urn:ogf:network:aruba.net:2013::curacao?vlan=1790</stp> </segment> <segment id="urn:ogf:network:curacao.net:2013:nsa" order="1"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:aa4e5d68-4004-48c3-a99e-07bc7ae911fc</connectionId> </segment> <segment id="urn:ogf:network:bonaire.net:2013:nsa" order="2"> <connectionId>urn:uuid:b1f0277d-63d5-4e5e-85e8-acd11a5baab9</connectionId> <stp order="0">urn:ogf:network:bonaire.net:2013::curacao?vlan=1790</stp> <stp order="1">urn:ogf:network:bonaire.net:2013::stpZ?vlan=1790</stp> </segment> </path> </tns:pathTrace> Furthermore, if an uPA that does not support pathTrace and is hidden from the AG by another AG downstream then it is possible that this uPA will stay hidden if the AG downstream does not add an empty segment element for this uPA. Aggregators that do not support pathTrace can be detected as well this way. Cheers, HansT.