At the previous call we decided to have the next call today: Starting Time: Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00 To join both the web and audio conference (recommended), click here: https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0186145 If you only want to participate in the audio conference, you may dial in with the following numbers: Call: +1-734-615-7474 (PSTN CALL-OUT DOES NOT WORK) or +1-866-411-0013 (toll free US/Canada Only) Enter access code: 0186145 Jeroen and Chin reported that they are not able to attend. There have been two items on the task list (from Jeroen's mail July 10):
Most important points: - Next teleconference is on July 30th at the same time (16:00 european, 10:00 eastern). - Martin will submit his work on defining the schema in text before the next teleconference. - Freek will prepare some use-cases and examples on cross-connects and adaptations, so that we can get a sense of how the schema works.
I should be reprimanded for not have this ready earlier. I have a half-baked attempt of a use case on my computer right now, and will sent it later. I already did notice I'm missing the concept of There are a few other items to discuss: - John Vollbrecht has recently looked in detail to G.800 for the NSI (I am mostly familiar with G.805, a predecessort). If John attends I'm curious to hear his opinion. - Recently I have been approached by another standardisation body that did some work on our topic (they have a UML representation to describe network topology and looked at hypergraphs). While academic institutes are welcome to join for free, their standards are not available for free. How do others feel about this? I did look at the OGF guidelines, but it is not explicit. - Paola Grosso did a few (very) minor changes to deliverable #1 based on comments (I promised this over a month ago, finally, she did - THANKS!). I like to sent it to the OGF editor. Are people familiar with the procedure (I'm not entirely). - Should be try to get urn:ogf: delegated from IANA and urn:ogf:network delegated from the OGF? Is that a task for us to do? Regards, Freek Dijkstra
Freek; Speaking for some of the Internet2 participants, it would be in our best interest to postpone the call for at least a week. We are under some fast approaching deadlines and would appreciate the delay. Thanks; -jason
At the previous call we decided to have the next call today:
Starting Time: Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00
To join both the web and audio conference (recommended), click here: https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0186145 If you only want to participate in the audio conference, you may dial in with the following numbers: Call: +1-734-615-7474 (PSTN CALL-OUT DOES NOT WORK) or +1-866-411-0013 (toll free US/Canada Only) Enter access code: 0186145
Jeroen and Chin reported that they are not able to attend. There have been two items on the task list (from Jeroen's mail July 10):
Most important points: - Next teleconference is on July 30th at the same time (16:00 european, 10:00 eastern). - Martin will submit his work on defining the schema in text before the next teleconference. - Freek will prepare some use-cases and examples on cross-connects and adaptations, so that we can get a sense of how the schema works.
I should be reprimanded for not have this ready earlier. I have a half-baked attempt of a use case on my computer right now, and will sent it later. I already did notice I'm missing the concept of
There are a few other items to discuss: - John Vollbrecht has recently looked in detail to G.800 for the NSI (I am mostly familiar with G.805, a predecessort). If John attends I'm curious to hear his opinion. - Recently I have been approached by another standardisation body that did some work on our topic (they have a UML representation to describe network topology and looked at hypergraphs). While academic institutes are welcome to join for free, their standards are not available for free. How do others feel about this? I did look at the OGF guidelines, but it is not explicit. - Paola Grosso did a few (very) minor changes to deliverable #1 based on comments (I promised this over a month ago, finally, she did - THANKS!). I like to sent it to the OGF editor. Are people familiar with the procedure (I'm not entirely). - Should be try to get urn:ogf: delegated from IANA and urn:ogf:network delegated from the OGF? Is that a task for us to do?
Regards, Freek Dijkstra
Freek, I am able to join the call, perhaps we can discuss the G.805 G.800 issue which is of interest to NSI group? Btw, You may be interested to hear that I am in the process of applying for DANTE membership for TMF. Guy -----Original Message----- From: Jason Zurawski [mailto:zurawski@internet2.edu] Sent: 30 July 2009 14:36 To: Freek Dijkstra Cc: Network Markup Language Working Group Subject: Re: [Nml-wg] Conference call Freek; Speaking for some of the Internet2 participants, it would be in our best interest to postpone the call for at least a week. We are under some fast approaching deadlines and would appreciate the delay. Thanks; -jason
At the previous call we decided to have the next call today:
Starting Time: Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00
To join both the web and audio conference (recommended), click here: https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0186145 If you only want to participate in the audio conference, you may dial in with the following numbers: Call: +1-734-615-7474 (PSTN CALL-OUT DOES NOT WORK) or +1-866-411-0013 (toll free US/Canada Only) Enter access code: 0186145
Jeroen and Chin reported that they are not able to attend. There have been two items on the task list (from Jeroen's mail July 10):
Most important points: - Next teleconference is on July 30th at the same time (16:00 european, 10:00 eastern). - Martin will submit his work on defining the schema in text before the next teleconference. - Freek will prepare some use-cases and examples on cross-connects and adaptations, so that we can get a sense of how the schema works.
I should be reprimanded for not have this ready earlier. I have a half-baked attempt of a use case on my computer right now, and will sent it later. I already did notice I'm missing the concept of
There are a few other items to discuss: - John Vollbrecht has recently looked in detail to G.800 for the NSI (I am mostly familiar with G.805, a predecessort). If John attends I'm curious to hear his opinion. - Recently I have been approached by another standardisation body that did some work on our topic (they have a UML representation to describe network topology and looked at hypergraphs). While academic institutes are welcome to join for free, their standards are not available for free. How do others feel about this? I did look at the OGF guidelines, but it is not explicit. - Paola Grosso did a few (very) minor changes to deliverable #1 based on comments (I promised this over a month ago, finally, she did - THANKS!). I like to sent it to the OGF editor. Are people familiar with the procedure (I'm not entirely). - Should be try to get urn:ogf: delegated from IANA and urn:ogf:network delegated from the OGF? Is that a task for us to do?
Regards, Freek Dijkstra
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Dear all Below you find the meeting notes from today phone conference. Next phone conference is in two weeks: Thursday. August 13. Same time (10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00) Same phone number. Discussion will center on the text version of the schema document that Martin will post to the mailing list. If you have corrections on the notes below just email them as follow-up to this email. Best regards, Paola ******* Meeting notes for NML-WG phone conference 31 July 2009 **** Present: ======== Gigi, Jason, Paola, Guy, Martin, Freek, Ramon. Agenda: ====== oooo Text version schema document (Martin) Martin is still in the process of writing the text document describing the schema based on the latest discussion. He is basing it on a simpler schema compared to the Version 5 right now in the repository. Martin points out some schema 'elements' will need more discussion. For example the 'locatedAt', 'to' and 'from' properties in version 5. These are needed by NDL/RDF but not by UNIS. Martin will upload the new document into GridForge and we will discuss this during next phone conference. As there are some problems with SVN, we agreed documents should always be posted to the mailing list also. And not only on GridForge. oooo We will discuss G.800 and usecases for NSI with John in a next call when he is present. Guy points out the goal would be to map G.800 concepts to the NML schema. oooo Freek presents the usecase for a cross-connect at single layer. He is working on more examples. Point of attentions: - Martin points out that the 'hasPort' and 'hasService' relations are probably not necessary, because they are the only relations between a node and a port, or a node and a SwitchingMatrixService. (This is the same issue as with 'locatedAt', 'to/from') - Transitivity of relation, such as if a device is at one Location, all its Ports are at the same location. Should transitivity specified in the model or implicit? - Layer relations. How do we specify the relations between elements in different layers? - Adaptation function. Guys asks some more information on this. Freek will write a usecase for this. Are adaptation and de-adaptation just two types of 'adaptation'? If adaptation and de-adaptation are just about adding and removing a header are these not just sink and source? We agreed Martin will pick on all this issues and clearly mark them out in the schema text for further discussion. oooo Freek has been approached by ?? from the TM forum. Guy/DANTE is in the process of becoming member of TMF. Guy might be able to look up at their relevant standards in the future and brief us on them. oooo Deliverable #1. Paola says it should be sent to the area directors. They will send it to for public comment. Freek and Martin will take care of this. ooooo Freek will follow up on the delegation of urn:ogf by sending email to OGF public (did I get this right? I was distracted)
Just some clarifications:
As there are some problems with SVN, we agreed documents should always be posted to the mailing list also. And not only on GridForge.
The GridForge document section does contain a link to the SVN checkout of the PDF. Unfortunately, you must click the URL link. Clicking on "Version 1" does not work. Because SVN does NOT sent out e-mails after commits (I only discovered Martin's commit halfway during the call), it is advised to sent the document to the list as well (or a direct download link).
Freek has been approached by ?? from the TM forum.
Nigel Davis.
Guy/DANTE is in the process of becoming member of TMF. Guy might be able to look up at their relevant standards in the future and brief us on them.
I was told that unfortunately, it is not possible to share TM Forum standards or documents with non-members of the TMFroum. So I presume it is not possible to brief information (hopefully I'm proved wrong).
Freek will follow up on the delegation of urn:ogf by sending email to OGF public (did I get this right? I was distracted)
Yes, but I said it will likely not be in the next two weeks, so if someone beats me to it - please do. Regards, Freek
Hello, Paola Grosso wrote:
Thursday. August 13. Same time (10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00) Same phone number.
Would it be possible to postpone this to a day later? I would really like to join this call, but am unable to on that particular time.. Jeroen.
Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
Thursday. August 13. Same time (10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00) Same phone number.
Would it be possible to postpone this to a day later? I would really like to join this call, but am unable to on that particular time..
Fine with me. I do need to catch up with the NML mail flood of today :) I think it's important if Martin and Paola are available -- the topic will be Martin's textual input if I remember correctly. Regards, Freek
Hello all, I've not heard any complaints so far, and most people that I've contacted are available on that Friday. So we move this conference call to Friday August 14th 10am Eastern. Jeroen. Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
Hello,
Paola Grosso wrote:
Thursday. August 13. Same time (10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00) Same phone number.
Would it be possible to postpone this to a day later? I would really like to join this call, but am unable to on that particular time..
Jeroen. _______________________________________________ nml-wg mailing list nml-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/nml-wg
Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
Hello all,
I've not heard any complaints so far, and most people that I've contacted are available on that Friday. So we move this conference call to Friday August 14th 10am Eastern.
*Note to all* we will need to use a different number for this call: Starting Time: Aug 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00 To join both the web and audio conference (recommended), click here: https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0153526 If you only want to participate in the audio conference, you may dial in with the following numbers: Call: +1-734-615-7474 (PSTN CALL-OUT DOES NOT WORK) or +1-866-411-0013 (toll free US/Canada Only) Enter access code: 0153526 Thanks; -jason
Jeroen.
Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
Hello,
Thursday. August 13. Same time (10:00 AM, US/Eastern Duration: 1:00) Same phone number. Would it be possible to postpone this to a day later? I would really
Paola Grosso wrote: like to join this call, but am unable to on that particular time..
Jeroen.
participants (5)
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Freek Dijkstra -
Guy Roberts -
Jason Zurawski -
Jeroen van der Ham -
Paola Grosso