LoA-RG Draft Charter - Inviting for Comments
Dear Colleagues, I here attach the draft version of the LoA-RG charter for inviting your comments. Two files of the same document are attached here - one word file for those who dread pdf, and one pdf file for those who dread MS word. We (Yoshio and me) are looking forward to receiving your comments and views....on the document. Best regards Ning ********************************** Dr N Zhang Room KB 2.113 School of Computer Science University of Manchester Oxford Road Manchester M13 9PL England, UK Email: nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk Tel: (+44) (0)161 275 6117 Fax: (+44) (0)161 275 6204 Web: http://www.manchester.ac.uk/cs/people/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Groep" <davidg@nikhef.nl> To: "Ning Zhang" <nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk> Cc: "Yoshio Tanaka" <yoshio.tanaka@aist.go.jp>; "Mike 'Mike' Jones" <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>; "Michael Helm" <helm@es.net>; "Stephen Pickles" <stephen.pickles@manchester.ac.uk>; "Nate Klingenstein" <ndk@internet2.edu>; "Blair Dillaway" <blaird@microsoft.com>; "Alan Sill" <Alan.Sill@ttu.edu>; "Christos Kanellopoulos" <skanct@physics.auth.gr>; "Darcy Quesnel" <darcy.quesnel@canarie.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LoA-RG formation progress: seven questions
Hi Ning, Yoshio, all,
Ning Zhang wrote:
Thank you for the draft. To make the reading easier, I have copied your email into a word file and used the track tool to add my comments - please see the attached.
Since the last update of the seven answers in early February, there has not exactly been the flurry of activity on the LoA-RG. I don't think there is a huge gap between the answers and what needs to be done to complete a charter, but it does need to be written down in the proper format and be discussed on the LoA BoF mailing list so that we as ADs can formally propose the group and get it approved. We can then spend the time in Manchester also for topic discussions on the documents instead of discussing only the charter.
For the charter, the following pieces are still needed (drafts can be extracted from the answers to the 7 questions): - Brief Group Summary (public description for print and web site) - Group Focus & Scope (2-4 paragraphs) - Exit Strategy
And for each deliverable: - title - Abstract: (very brief) - document type
May I propose that the chairs and/or document authors trigger this discussion on the LoA BoF mailing list? (note that it must be on the list to allow public participation, but it's better to come with a first draft so as to focus the mail discussion).
The Wiki page at:
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.sec/wiki/LoAInitiat... has Ning's updated version of the seven questions as an attachment, which can serve as a basis for the charter discussion.
Best, and thanks a lot, DavidG.
-- David Groep
** National Institute for Nuclear and High Energy Physics, PDP/Grid group ** ** Room: H1.56 Phone: +31 20 5922179, PObox 41882, NL-1009DB Amsterdam NL **
This looks pretty good overall. I just have a few suggestions. 1. Remove 'access control' from the last sentence of the first paragraph. Access control is typically used as a general term encompassing authN, authZ, and auditing. So listing it as a peer of these concepts is strange. 2. In Section 2, you need to add expected milestone dates for the proposed deliverables that align with the information on the OGF living charter form. These are 'First Draft'. 'Public Comment', and 'Publication'. 3. In the first paragraph under "Scope of the Group", it says "indirect transmission of assertions (through services or delegation)". This is the first time the term 'assertion' is used. I suggest you relate it back to the concepts in the summary material. Perhaps use wording such as "authentication assertion" or "authentication security token". Also, "services" and "delegation" aren't comparable terms. Perhaps use "through services or user proxies". Regards, Blair
-----Original Message----- From: Ning Zhang [mailto:nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:57 AM To: David Groep; loa-bof@ogf.org Cc: Yoshio Tanaka; Mike 'Mike' Jones; Michael Helm; Stephen Pickles; Nate Klingenstein; Blair Dillaway; Alan Sill; Christos Kanellopoulos; Darcy Quesnel; ning.zhang@manchester.ac.uk Subject: LoA-RG Draft Charter - Inviting for Comments
Dear Colleagues,
I here attach the draft version of the LoA-RG charter for inviting your comments.
Two files of the same document are attached here - one word file for those who dread pdf, and one pdf file for those who dread MS word.
We (Yoshio and me) are looking forward to receiving your comments and views....on the document.
Best regards
Ning ********************************** Dr N Zhang Room KB 2.113 School of Computer Science University of Manchester Oxford Road Manchester M13 9PL England, UK Email: nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk Tel: (+44) (0)161 275 6117 Fax: (+44) (0)161 275 6204 Web: http://www.manchester.ac.uk/cs/people/
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Groep" <davidg@nikhef.nl> To: "Ning Zhang" <nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk> Cc: "Yoshio Tanaka" <yoshio.tanaka@aist.go.jp>; "Mike 'Mike' Jones" <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>; "Michael Helm" <helm@es.net>; "Stephen Pickles" <stephen.pickles@manchester.ac.uk>; "Nate Klingenstein" <ndk@internet2.edu>; "Blair Dillaway" <blaird@microsoft.com>; "Alan Sill" <Alan.Sill@ttu.edu>; "Christos Kanellopoulos" <skanct@physics.auth.gr>; "Darcy Quesnel" <darcy.quesnel@canarie.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LoA-RG formation progress: seven questions
Hi Ning, Yoshio, all,
Ning Zhang wrote:
Thank you for the draft. To make the reading easier, I have copied your email into a word file and used the track tool to add my comments - please see the attached.
Since the last update of the seven answers in early February, there has not exactly been the flurry of activity on the LoA-RG. I don't think there is a huge gap between the answers and what needs to be done to complete a charter, but it does need to be written down in the proper format and be discussed on the LoA BoF mailing list so that we as ADs can formally propose the group and get it approved. We can then spend the time in Manchester also for topic discussions on the documents instead of discussing only the charter.
For the charter, the following pieces are still needed (drafts can be extracted from the answers to the 7 questions): - Brief Group Summary (public description for print and web site) - Group Focus & Scope (2-4 paragraphs) - Exit Strategy
And for each deliverable: - title - Abstract: (very brief) - document type
May I propose that the chairs and/or document authors trigger this discussion on the LoA BoF mailing list? (note that it must be on the list to allow public participation, but it's better to come with a first draft so as to focus the mail discussion).
The Wiki page at:
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.sec/wiki/LoAI
nitiative has Ning's updated version of the seven questions as an attachment, which can serve as a basis for the charter discussion.
Best, and thanks a lot, DavidG.
-- David Groep
** National Institute for Nuclear and High Energy Physics, PDP/Grid group ** ** Room: H1.56 Phone: +31 20 5922179, PObox 41882, NL-1009DB Amsterdam NL **
Hello Blair + all, Many thanks for your comments. The attached is the revised version. (1) Michael (MH), as you are the editor of Document 1, may I ask you to suggest the milestone dates for this doc? (2) for Document 2, I have suggested: 30 May 2007 for the first draft; --- soon after OGF20. 30 July for public comment; 30 Nov for publication. ---- set deliberately after OGF21 to allow feedbacks, etc. Are these milestone dates reasonable? Best wishes Ning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Dillaway" <blaird@microsoft.com> To: "Ning Zhang" <nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk>; "David Groep" <davidg@nikhef.nl>; <loa-bof@ogf.org> Cc: "Yoshio Tanaka" <yoshio.tanaka@aist.go.jp>; "Mike 'Mike' Jones" <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>; "Michael Helm" <helm@es.net>; "Stephen Pickles" <stephen.pickles@manchester.ac.uk>; "Nate Klingenstein" <ndk@internet2.edu>; "Alan Sill" <Alan.Sill@ttu.edu>; "Christos Kanellopoulos" <skanct@physics.auth.gr>; "Darcy Quesnel" <darcy.quesnel@canarie.ca>; <ning.zhang@manchester.ac.uk> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: RE: LoA-RG Draft Charter - Inviting for Comments This looks pretty good overall. I just have a few suggestions. 1. Remove 'access control' from the last sentence of the first paragraph. Access control is typically used as a general term encompassing authN, authZ, and auditing. So listing it as a peer of these concepts is strange. 2. In Section 2, you need to add expected milestone dates for the proposed deliverables that align with the information on the OGF living charter form. These are 'First Draft'. 'Public Comment', and 'Publication'. 3. In the first paragraph under "Scope of the Group", it says "indirect transmission of assertions (through services or delegation)". This is the first time the term 'assertion' is used. I suggest you relate it back to the concepts in the summary material. Perhaps use wording such as "authentication assertion" or "authentication security token". Also, "services" and "delegation" aren't comparable terms. Perhaps use "through services or user proxies". Regards, Blair
-----Original Message----- From: Ning Zhang [mailto:nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:57 AM To: David Groep; loa-bof@ogf.org Cc: Yoshio Tanaka; Mike 'Mike' Jones; Michael Helm; Stephen Pickles; Nate Klingenstein; Blair Dillaway; Alan Sill; Christos Kanellopoulos; Darcy Quesnel; ning.zhang@manchester.ac.uk Subject: LoA-RG Draft Charter - Inviting for Comments
Dear Colleagues,
I here attach the draft version of the LoA-RG charter for inviting your comments.
Two files of the same document are attached here - one word file for those who dread pdf, and one pdf file for those who dread MS word.
We (Yoshio and me) are looking forward to receiving your comments and views....on the document.
Best regards
Ning ********************************** Dr N Zhang Room KB 2.113 School of Computer Science University of Manchester Oxford Road Manchester M13 9PL England, UK Email: nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk Tel: (+44) (0)161 275 6117 Fax: (+44) (0)161 275 6204 Web: http://www.manchester.ac.uk/cs/people/
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Groep" <davidg@nikhef.nl> To: "Ning Zhang" <nzhang@cs.man.ac.uk> Cc: "Yoshio Tanaka" <yoshio.tanaka@aist.go.jp>; "Mike 'Mike' Jones" <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>; "Michael Helm" <helm@es.net>; "Stephen Pickles" <stephen.pickles@manchester.ac.uk>; "Nate Klingenstein" <ndk@internet2.edu>; "Blair Dillaway" <blaird@microsoft.com>; "Alan Sill" <Alan.Sill@ttu.edu>; "Christos Kanellopoulos" <skanct@physics.auth.gr>; "Darcy Quesnel" <darcy.quesnel@canarie.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LoA-RG formation progress: seven questions
Hi Ning, Yoshio, all,
Ning Zhang wrote:
Thank you for the draft. To make the reading easier, I have copied your email into a word file and used the track tool to add my comments - please see the attached.
Since the last update of the seven answers in early February, there has not exactly been the flurry of activity on the LoA-RG. I don't think there is a huge gap between the answers and what needs to be done to complete a charter, but it does need to be written down in the proper format and be discussed on the LoA BoF mailing list so that we as ADs can formally propose the group and get it approved. We can then spend the time in Manchester also for topic discussions on the documents instead of discussing only the charter.
For the charter, the following pieces are still needed (drafts can be extracted from the answers to the 7 questions): - Brief Group Summary (public description for print and web site) - Group Focus & Scope (2-4 paragraphs) - Exit Strategy
And for each deliverable: - title - Abstract: (very brief) - document type
May I propose that the chairs and/or document authors trigger this discussion on the LoA BoF mailing list? (note that it must be on the list to allow public participation, but it's better to come with a first draft so as to focus the mail discussion).
The Wiki page at:
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.sec/wiki/LoAI
nitiative has Ning's updated version of the seven questions as an attachment, which can serve as a basis for the charter discussion.
Best, and thanks a lot, DavidG.
-- David Groep
** National Institute for Nuclear and High Energy Physics, PDP/Grid group ** ** Room: H1.56 Phone: +31 20 5922179, PObox 41882, NL-1009DB Amsterdam NL **
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Blair Dillaway -
Ning Zhang