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Summary of Document-Oriented Schema Changes
by Donal K. Fellows 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

Here's a summary of what I think the changes to the JSDL schema should be, based on my understanding of what Igor proposed: Firstly, a little house-keeping: 'id' attributes should probably change name to 'profileGroup'; in the XML community, 'id' means something very specific (unique within a document) and our 'id' attribs are definitely not that. Now, to the substance. Firstly, an explanation. None of this is necessary for the primary goal of JSDL (providing a description of simple jobs); it only really becomes necessary when you embed JSDL within a wider context of, say, a large workflow. But this is a case that we will certainly want to support going forward. The gist of Igor's proposal is that we make JSDL somewhat more document-oriented, in a way similar to an XML Schema or a WSDL doc. To do this: Want to be able to declare things that can be referenced from elsewhere, together with having infrastructure that can do this referencing. -> Need a name attribute on many elements (I suspect this is not needed on Profile, but instead on Resource, etc.) of type NCname -> Need a ref attribute on all elements with a name attribute -> Allow named elements as direct children of topmost element (I forget the name; Job<SomethingOrOther>). These declarations have no meaning in themselves; they just exist to be referred to. -> New element to import declarations from some other document into a namespace, rather like <wsdl:import> (toplevel only). -> Non-toplevel elements may have ref attributes and no other content; name (a qualified name, not an NCname) must point to some element in the current document (or imported) with a suitable name element. -> Topmost element to have a targetNamespace attribute (I think that's it?) I'll write tomorrow on the the Application subtyping scheme. That's distinct from this proposal. Donal.

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sgsc3p7vl43g4c.pdf
by Darren Pulsipher 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

<<sgsc3p7vl43g4c.pdf>> Meeting Minutes Here they are. darren

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Updated: JSDL Meeting
by Darren Pulsipher 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

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FileSystem revision
by Andreas Savva 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

I am attaching a revision to the FileSystem section according to the discussion we had last week (or was it the one before, I forget). I've also added some simple examples. Again, this is relative to 0.6 (after accepting previous changes). Steve: You have to provide an example of MountSource. -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.

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DataStaging revision
by Andreas Savva 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Hi, I've done a revision of the DataStaging section (attached) and added some simple examples. (The changes are relative to 0.6.) If this is the sort of thing we are after I'll ask Darren to merge it in. This revision relates to the following actions from last week's minutes: > 1) Place an example in the Spec for directory delimiting > CF: From point 2 in last weeks minutes > (Andreas) > 2. How would you suggest to specify a logical file name: using > predefined syntax or using a special > attribute in the FileName element? Can a whole directory be specified > as well? > Group> You can specify either one. > (Action Item) We need to show an example of that in the spec. Only '/' > can be used as a delimiter for > directories and files in the filepath. and > 2) More exaples for File staging - we have some of these on GridForge, > they need to be merged in. > (Andreas, Steve) And I also made this change. We can discuss it again today (for the 3rd time) if necessary. > 3) Add to spec that overwrite is a commonly used value for CreationFlag > CF: From point 4 in last weeks minutes -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd

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Re: [jsdl-wg] Re: JSDL?
by Chee-Kian Koh 26 Jan '05

26 Jan '05

Donal, On a similar note, what is the current status of JSDL? Roughly when can we expect the final release to be ready? Sorry, I've not been following closely the mailing list. Thanks. ----------------------------------------- Melvin Koh Chee Kian Grid Research Engineer Asia Pacific Science & Technology Center Sun Microsystems Inc. Website: http://apstc.sun.com.sg/ ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal K. Fellows" <donal.k.fellows(a)manchester.ac.uk> Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:07 pm Subject: [jsdl-wg] Re: JSDL? > Chin Chee-Kai wrote: > > I was browsing around for GGF13 when I chanced upon JSDL > > archived discussions on JSDL. You appear to be answering > > some of the questions so I thought I could write to you > > for my perhaps overly-simplistic question: > > > > What is JSDL? Is it some kind of Job Service Description > > Language? The team appears to be designing a kind of > > resource description XSD schema. > > JSDL stands for Job Submission Description Language, and it's > purpose is > to describe simple job descriptions. By simple, I mean a single > invocation of some program (or a webservice or an SQL lookup or > whateverelse you want to do with extensibility), with possibly some > files staged > in beforehand and staged out afterwards. > > We are aware that it is an incomplete solution to the general > problem of > job and workflow running on the grid. This because we envisage other > languages that mix into JSDL or wrap around JSDL to provide these > extended sets of functionality; we're trying to keep the focus of JSDL > itself small so that we can achieve a defined task in as short a > time as > possible. This is covered in the specification (see Figure 2) > though it > needs some more explanatory text. > > > Could you give some pointers on JSDL, latest alpha/beta/full > > versions of XSDs available, or any info to me please? > > The documents at https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/jsdl-wg/docman/ > are a out of date, but not very far out of date. There are aspects of > the document though that may change before we do a final release. To > understand these, you'll probably need to attend the teleconference. > Contact details for that are sent out on the JSDL mailing list (which > this message is cc'ed to) and can be looked up in the archive of > the > mailing list on the JSDL website. > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/jsdl-wg/threads.html > > Donal. > >

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JSDL: Help with Minutes
by Ali Anjomshoaa 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Can someone please print off the pdf minutes from today. I can't seem to do this, again! Cheers, Ali -- ---------------------------------------------------- |epcc| - Ali Anjomshoaa EPCC, University of Edinburgh James Clerk Maxwell Building Mayfield Road E-mail: ali(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh EH9 3JZ Phone: + 44 (0) 131 651 3388 United Kingdom Fax: + 44 (0) 131 650 6555 -------------------------------------------------------------

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Meeting Minutes
by Darren Pulsipher 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

<<s36x064rq4w8dh.pdf>> Here are the minutes from January 25, 2005 Darren

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Re: JSDL?
by Donal K. Fellows 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Chin Chee-Kai wrote: > I was browsing around for GGF13 when I chanced upon JSDL > archived discussions on JSDL. You appear to be answering > some of the questions so I thought I could write to you > for my perhaps overly-simplistic question: > > What is JSDL? Is it some kind of Job Service Description > Language? The team appears to be designing a kind of > resource description XSD schema. JSDL stands for Job Submission Description Language, and it's purpose is to describe simple job descriptions. By simple, I mean a single invocation of some program (or a webservice or an SQL lookup or whatever else you want to do with extensibility), with possibly some files staged in beforehand and staged out afterwards. We are aware that it is an incomplete solution to the general problem of job and workflow running on the grid. This because we envisage other languages that mix into JSDL or wrap around JSDL to provide these extended sets of functionality; we're trying to keep the focus of JSDL itself small so that we can achieve a defined task in as short a time as possible. This is covered in the specification (see Figure 2) though it needs some more explanatory text. > Could you give some pointers on JSDL, latest alpha/beta/full > versions of XSDs available, or any info to me please? The documents at https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/jsdl-wg/docman/ are a out of date, but not very far out of date. There are aspects of the document though that may change before we do a final release. To understand these, you'll probably need to attend the teleconference. Contact details for that are sent out on the JSDL mailing list (which this message is cc'ed to) and can be looked up in the archive of the mailing list on the JSDL website. http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/jsdl-wg/threads.html Donal.

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JSDL 1/25
by Darren Pulsipher 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

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