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JSDL Teleconference - 18 June 2008 @1pm UTC
by Andreas Savva 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

Confirming a call for Wednesday, 14 May, at **2pm UTC**. ** Note time change ** Agenda: 1. Agenda bashing and updates 2. Activity instance document schema - OGF23 update and actions - Next step 3. Review of JSDL 1.0 Experience draft - To be sent out before the call ===== Full call-in details ==== Date: 18 June 2008 Time: UTC 1:00 PM EUROPE: BST 2 PM / CEST 3 PM US: EDT 9 AM / PDT 6 AM ASIA: JST / KST 10 PM Duration: 1 hour Dial-in numbers (toll): US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 207 3655269 (London) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Japan: +81 3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Other countries: http://tinyurl.com/eg48j User guide: http://tinyurl.com/qknrf Teleconference participant PIN: 4371991 Screen share: http://jsdl.glance.net/?key=0618 Note: When you dial in after the initial message in English for the PIN there is another message in Japanese only (sorry) to state your name and press '#' in order to join the call. -- Andreas Savva

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Call schedule
by Andreas Savva 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

As is the 'custom' we don't have a call this week---the week after OGF. We'll be restarting our calls next week. Given that we have two active topics I think we should try for weekly calls with alternating topics; starting with Parameter Sweep next week (6/18) and Activity Schema the week after (6/25). Please let me know whether this is convenient. Also, as I mentioned in the last session, I am wondering whether we can move the timeslot one hour earlier to UTC 1:00 PM / BST 2 PM / CEST 3 PM / EDT 9 AM / PDT 6 AM / JST 10 PM I'll send out an agenda next week to confirm the topic/time. Thanks to everyone who turned up to our OGF23 sessions. -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.

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Session material from OGF 23
by Philipp Wieder 09 Jun '08

09 Jun '08

Dear All, please find the material from the JSDL session on Activity instances here http://www.ogf.org/gf/event_schedule/index.php?id=1295. Best regards, Philipp.

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jsdl sweep over values within input files
by Meredith, DJ (David) 06 Jun '08

06 Jun '08

hi, Some notes following the JSDL-WG session 1. It was generally agreed that sweeping over values defined within input files should be 'in scope' of the JSDL parameter sweep extensions. However, needs some more clarification. Two different / opposing options were discussed which determine whether sweeping over values within input files is in scope or out of scope of the JSDL Sweep extensions: Option 1) out of scope All input files should be generated 'up-front' and staged to the working dir (or to different JSDL file systems) by 'some other process'. This would mean the Sweep extensions could be used as they currently exist (i.e. by sweeping over the name/location of the existing generated files). In this scenario however, the JSDL-Sweep extensions would *not* have any use in defining the parametric values that are substituted into the input files (e.g. via loops/value lists). If this is preferred, then this would have to be clearly stated within the JSDL documentation, and I would also argue that sweeping over values within input files would then be 'out of scope' of the JSDL parameter sweep extensions. Option 2) in scope The JSDL Sweep document *should* be used to define the values of parametric variables that are substituted into the input files (e.g. via loops/value lists). In this scenario, sweeping over values in input files would be in scope' of the Sweep extensions. If this is preferred, then it appeared that the use of the ${placeholder} variables that exist within the input files and referred to in the JSDL Sweep document could be applied. How a JSDL sweep document names/reference the input files needs clarification (e.g. abstract extension points akin to the loop/value functions?). regards, dave ------------------------ Dr David Meredith STFC - eScience Centre Grid Technology Group Daresbury Laboratory Warrington Cheshire WA4 4AD Tel: 01925 603762(Direct Line) email: d.j.meredith(a)dl.ac.uk

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JSDL Teleconference - TUESDAY - 20 May 2008 @2pm UTC
by Andreas Savva 30 May '08

30 May '08

Confirming a call for TUESDAY, 20 May, at 2pm UTC. Agenda: 1. Agenda bashing and updates 2. Activity instance schema document - Review new use cases (if any) - Continue requirements discussion from last call (See minutes of 7 May 2008) ===== Full call-in details ==== Date: 20 May 2008 Time: UTC 2:00 PM EUROPE: BST 3 PM / CEST 4 PM US: EDT 10 AM / PDT 7 AM ASIA: JST 11 PM Duration: 1 hour Dial-in numbers (toll): US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 207 3655269 (London) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Japan: +81 3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Other countries: http://tinyurl.com/eg48j User guide: http://tinyurl.com/qknrf Teleconference participant PIN: 4371991 Screen share: http://jsdl.glance.net/?key=0520 Note: When you dial in after the initial message in English for the PIN there is another message in Japanese only (sorry) to state your name and press '#' in order to join the call.

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Teleconference minutes - 20 May 2008
by Andreas Savva 21 May '08

21 May '08

Gridforge is not responding so attaching minutes from yesterday's call. I'll upload the file later. -- Andreas Savva JSDL Teleconference - 20 May 2008 ================================== * Participants Fred Brisard Donal Fellows Steve McGough Alexander Papaspyrou Andreas Savva Philipp Wieder Apologies: Michel Drescher, Shahbaz Memon * Summary of Actions ACTION: Philipp will do a first draft of an aggregated list of requirements * Activity use case - Job lifecycle tracking ** Requirements - Job attributes / state changes for entire lifecycle; - Entering system - to not active - Not clear if the use case requires the information to stay around in the system after activity is no longer active (probably), and if so how long (implementation-dependent). - [Talk with Chris.] - Information to track - initial submission requirements (e.g., jsdl), (Location: BES resource?) - state changes, incl time - handover in responsibilties (similar to delegation scheduling use case) - recording of who made a decision and what that decision was - resource usage during runtime - final accounting record: summary record perhaps - summary records are not clearly a part of the usage record 1.0; should probably be separate from the usage record entry - Access mechanisms: query while activity is running can be on BES; or other service afterwards, (maybe what 'file' refers to) - information when an exception happens (probably related to state change); and what the exception was * Fred's description of CA use/usage case - record of what to execute (e.g., jsdl) - record of what happens to activity through execution - state changes captured as individual records - jobs have problems during execution; and might get rescheduled (-through third-party products) etc. A common format helps interoperability - Administrators need this information for troubleshooting, decision making, to optimize execution, etc, - Customer also needs to see this information to see how/if things work properly - Historical record helps in estimation of future jobs - Schema requirements: fixed part where a specification exists (e.g., initial submission jsdl) plus extensibility for more private/proprietary information; how far to go either way is a balancing act * Summary ACTION: Philipp will do a first draft of an aggregated list of requirements * OGF23 session - Motivation / Overview of what has been disucssed - collected use cases - requirements list - work on strawman Invite people who showed interest in the BoF last time: Steven Newhouse, Andrew Grimshaw. And/or talk to them in advance Provide skype and glance during the session

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JSDL Teleconference - 14 May 2008 @2pm UTC
by Andreas Savva 13 May '08

13 May '08

Confirming a call for Wednesday, 14 May, at **2pm UTC**. Agenda: 1. Agenda bashing and updates 2. Parameter sweep - tracker issues (See gridforge) ===== Full call-in details ==== Date: 14 May 2008 Time: UTC 2:00 PM EUROPE: BST 3 PM / CEST 4 PM US: EDT 10 AM / PDT 7 AM ASIA: JST 11 PM Duration: 1 hour Dial-in numbers (toll): US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 207 3655269 (London) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Japan: +81 3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Other countries: http://tinyurl.com/eg48j User guide: http://tinyurl.com/qknrf Teleconference participant PIN: 4371991 Screen share: http://jsdl.glance.net/?key=0514 Note: When you dial in after the initial message in English for the PIN there is another message in Japanese only (sorry) to state your name and press '#' in order to join the call.

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Call schedule
by Andreas Savva 13 May '08

13 May '08

From the responses I got yesterday it looks like 5/14 is convenient for everyone while the 21st and 28th are not. So one idea is to have a single longer call next week. In other words for next Wednesday do a 2 hour call: UTC 1pm-2pm : Parameter sweep UTC 2pm-3pm : Activity schema If a two hour call is not convenient we could instead try moving the call scheduled for 5/21 to another day, e.g, Monday (5/19) or Tuesday (5/20). -- Andreas Savva

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JSDL Teleconference - 7 May 2008 @2pm UTC
by Andreas Savva 07 May '08

07 May '08

Confirming a call for Wednesday, 7 May, at **2pm UTC**. Agenda: 1. Agenda bashing and updates 2. Parameter sweep - tracker issues ===== Full call-in details ==== Date: 7 May 2008 Time: UTC 2:00 PM EUROPE: BST: 3 PM / CEST: 4 PM US: EDT 10:00 AM / PDT 7:00 AM ASIA: JST 11:00 PM Duration: 1 hour Dial-in numbers (toll): US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 207 3655269 (London) Germany: +49 (0)69 50070802 (Frankfurt) Japan: +81 3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Other countries: http://tinyurl.com/eg48j User guide: http://tinyurl.com/qknrf Teleconference participant PIN: 4371991 Screen share: http://jsdl.glance.net/?key=0507 Note: When you dial in after the initial message in English for the PIN there is another message in Japanese only (sorry) to state your name and press '#' in order to join the call. -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd.

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Teleconference minutes (Apr. 23 & Apr. 30) and schedule
by Andreas Savva 01 May '08

01 May '08

Teleconference minutes now on gridforge * April 30 https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15201?nav=1 (Includes initial list of requirements from the two activity schema use cases we discussed) * April 23 https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15200?nav=1 (parameter sweep) There is not a lot of time to OGF23 so we'll try a weekly call schedule, alternating topics each week. Next week's call (5/7) is for parameter sweep and the week after (5/14) for Activity schema. An agenda/confirmation email will be sent before each call as usual. -- Andreas Savva

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