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Final edits: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 981] Guidelines for IP version independence in (fwd)
by Piers O'Hanlon 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

Hi Tim (and all), Firstly to let everyone know this document has finally passed through Public comment period and now has a few minor updates (see below) from the GGF Editors. Once these are made they have assured us it will be published. Tim (and potentially others editors) - if you could make the updates to your document and then resubmit it that would be great. Let me know if there are any problems. Many thanks, Piers O'Hanlon -------------- GGF IPv6-WG CoChair ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: <sf-httpd(a)forge.gridforum.org> Received: from vscan-c.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with UK SMTP id <g.17326-0(a)bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:21:03 +0000 Received: from sourceforge.ggf.org ([140.221.9.79] helo=forge.gridforum.org) by vscan-c.ucl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CWJjt-0004wx-Cq for P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:20:41 +0000 Received: from sf-httpd by forge.gridforum.org with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (SourceForge)) id 1CWKY9-0007HA-00 for <P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:12:37 -0600 To: P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 981] Guidelines for IP version independence in GGF specifications Reply-To: followup-981(a)forge-tracker.gridforum.org From: Sourceforge Tracker Monitor <noreply(a)forge.gridforum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <E1CWKY9-0007HA-00(a)forge.gridforum.org> Sender: sf-httpd <sf-httpd(a)forge.gridforum.org> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:12:37 -0600 X-UCL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the UCL Helpdesk, helpdesk(a)ucl.ac.uk for more information X-UCL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: sf-httpd(a)forge.gridforum.org Greg Newby changed 981 on 2004-11-22 11:12:36 Status has changed: - New: 'Pending Info from Authors' Old: 'Final Editor Review' Priority has changed: - New: '2' Old: '1' Assigned To has changed: - New: 'Peter Clarke' Old: 'Greg Newby' Respond by visiting: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=981&group_id=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=981&group_id=…) Summary: Guidelines for IP version independence in GGF specifications Project: EDITOR Tracker: Submit GGF Draft Artifact ID: 981 Category: Informational Group: DATA Status: Pending Info from Authors Resolution: Returned to Authors/Group Priority: 2 Last Modified By: Greg Newby Last Modified: 2004-11-22 11:12:36 Submitted By: Piers O'Hanlon Submit Date: * 2004-07-20 02:12:58 Assigned To: Peter Clarke File(s): draft-ggf-ipv6-ip-independent-guide-00b-brian-14-7-04.doc Description: This IPv6 Working Group document has passed working group last call. It has been read by the ADs and a small number of other WG chairs. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Greg Newby (2004-11-22 11:12:36) Per email from Piers: Yes, please go ahead and make the minor change to the IPv6 address size: >>>Regarding the IP version independence guidelines doc, the longest possible >>>IPv6 address is not 39 characters like >>> >>>0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 >>> >>>rather it can be >>> >>>0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:ffff:123.123.123.123 >>> >>>which is 50 characters. Other changes to apply (these are all minor): - - Insert current date in p1 header - - Work through the document looking at all occurrences of the word "should." Generally, this should be changed to a different word or phrase ("the authors recommend..." or "for compatibility, developers might..."). This is to make sure "should" is not ambiguous compared to its use in a specifications document. You don't need to change every "should," but please change those that can without needing to perform verbal gymnastics. - - since the table of contents spans pages, go ahead and start it at the top of the 2nd page (leaving blank space after the abstract on the first page) - - spell out IPv6 and IPv4 on first use, i.e., "the Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6)". Also spell out GGF, WG, IETF and any other acronyms on first use. - - remove extra hard return prior to 5.6 - - Section 7, security: I think it's worthwhile mentioning at least two items here. One is the role of IPsec, which is mentioned earlier. Seems to me that security-conscious developers might choose IPv6 in order to use IPsec. Second is to mention the possible dangers of failure by developers to account for the possibility of either protocol being used. Whether to mention these or other security items is up to you, but from my point of view these are security considerations that are worth mentioning. Thanks for your work on this document! Once you have addressed the above (either by responding or going ahead with changes), upload the final document as a .doc and it will be published. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Greg Newby (2004-11-04 15:57:19) Per email from Piers, I will provide a little editorial feedback, then will go ahead and approve these information documents for publication (tracker #981 & 982). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Greg Newby (2004-11-02 09:10:59) gbn: Sent email to Piers O'Hanlon requesting his feedback on the effectiveness of public comment for this and associated document #982. Status changed to Awaiting Author Feedback. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stacey Giannese (2004-09-28 12:42:50) No comments have been made regarding this document so it will re-enter public comment period again. Due date: 10-28-04. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stacey Giannese (2004-08-13 07:47:10) Document will now enter 30 day public comment period. Due date: 9-13-04 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Charlie Catlett (2004-08-12 13:19:15) This draft has completed the necessary steps prior to being made available for public comment. Authors, working group / research group chairs, and Area Directors should encourage individuals to participate in the public comment process and should announce the public comment availability to appropriate communities and groups. Public comments can be viewed and submitted via the GridForge Editor pages (see Forums) or: http://www.ggf.org/documents Public comments play an important part in the advancement of a GGF draft and publication as a document in the GGF document series. An active public comment period strengthens the case that the document is a useful and desired work product for some community of consumers. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Submit GGF Draft : https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=90&atid=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=90&atid=…) ________________________________________ Modify your monitoring preferences: https://forge.gridforum.org/monitoring/monitorPreference.php (https://forge.gridforum.org/monitoring/monitorPreference.php) Turn off monitoring for this Tracker: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?group_id=90&atid=414&aid=981&func=moni… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?group_id=90&atid=414&aid=981&func=moni…) ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list

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Re: Final edits: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 982] Survey of IPv4 Dependencies in Global Gri (fwd)
by Piers O'Hanlon 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Rute, > > Document edited and uploaded. Please check if everything is Okey, concerning > the submission process. > > https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=982&group_id=9 > 0%20(https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=982&group > _id=90) > That's great - Greg Newby has now taken it onwards into the GGF process and it's now very close to being officially published. It actually states it's current 'Resolution' and being 'Published' in the tracker. Thanks, Piers. > Regards, > Rute > > -----Original Message----- > From: Piers O'Hanlon [mailto:P.OHanlon@cs.ucl.ac.uk] > Sent: 25 November 2004 17:06 > To: Sofia Rute > Cc: 'Piers O'Hanlon'; ipv6-wg > Subject: Re: Final edits: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 982] Survey of > IPv4 Dependencies in Global Gri (fwd) > > > Hi, > > > > I will try to update the document by tomorrow, given that I hope this > > is the final cut. > > > Great - yes I hope so too! > > > > Comments inline, please respond as soon as possible: > > > > > > - - 2.2.1: could you put an example of correct usage for > > http://example.com or similar? Ditto for 2.4.2. > > > > > > [RS] In both sections, the example provided is a quotation from the > > specification. So I do not think it is appropriate this. > > > I agree it seems a bit unnecessary but to wrap it up you could just simply > add an example (using the documentation prefix 2001:0DB8::/32) RFC2732 > compliant IPv6 literal URI for each section. > > > > > - - Section 6: See my comment about security considerations for > > tracker 981. Might the same apply here? Is there a risk from improper > > specification of use of IP versions? > > > > [RS] Need info on this tracker. How can I get it? > > > Yes these tracker numbers are a bit cryptic - It's the guidelines doc - > here's the tracker they're referring to: > https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=981&group_id=9 > 0 > > > Shall I send you the final document , and you upload it? > > > It should be fine for you to upload - using your Gridforge account - if > there's any problems just send it to me and I can upload it. > > Thanks, > > Piers. > > > Rute > > > ------- Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list

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Re: Final edits: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 982] Survey of IPv4 Dependencies in Global Gri (fwd)
by Piers O'Hanlon 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Hi, > > I will try to update the document by tomorrow, given that I hope this is the > final cut. > Great - yes I hope so too! > Comments inline, please respond as soon as possible: > > > - - 2.2.1: could you put an example of correct usage for http://example.com > or similar? Ditto for 2.4.2. > > > [RS] In both sections, the example provided is a quotation from the > specification. So I do not think it is appropriate this. > I agree it seems a bit unnecessary but to wrap it up you could just simply add an example (using the documentation prefix 2001:0DB8::/32) RFC2732 compliant IPv6 literal URI for each section. > > - - Section 6: See my comment about security considerations for tracker 981. > Might the same apply here? Is there a risk from improper specification of > use of IP versions? > > [RS] Need info on this tracker. How can I get it? > Yes these tracker numbers are a bit cryptic - It's the guidelines doc - here's the tracker they're referring to: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=981&group_id=… > Shall I send you the final document , and you upload it? > It should be fine for you to upload - using your Gridforge account - if there's any problems just send it to me and I can upload it. Thanks, Piers. > Rute > ------- Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list

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Final edits: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 982] Survey of IPv4 Dependencies in Global Gri (fwd)
by Piers O'Hanlon 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Hi Rute (and all), Firstly to let everyone know this document has finally passed through Public comment period and now has a few minor updates (see below) from the GGF Editors. Once these are made they have assured us it will be published. Rute (and potentially others editors) - if you could make the updates to your document and then resubmit it that would be great. Let me know if there are any problems. Many thanks, Piers O'Hanlon -------------- GGF IPv6-WG CoChair ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: <sf-httpd(a)forge.gridforum.org> Received: from vscan-b.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with UK SMTP id <g.19074-0(a)bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:34:57 +0000 Received: from sourceforge.ggf.org ([140.221.9.79] helo=forge.gridforum.org) by vscan-b.ucl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CWJwW-0007dj-O0 for P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:33:44 +0000 Received: from sf-httpd by forge.gridforum.org with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (SourceForge)) id 1CWKkm-0007JI-00 for <P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:25:40 -0600 To: P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: [ggf-editor | Submit GGF Draft - 982] Survey of IPv4 Dependencies in Global Grid Forum Specifications Reply-To: followup-982(a)forge-tracker.gridforum.org From: Sourceforge Tracker Monitor <noreply(a)forge.gridforum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <E1CWKkm-0007JI-00(a)forge.gridforum.org> Sender: sf-httpd <sf-httpd(a)forge.gridforum.org> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:25:40 -0600 X-UCL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the UCL Helpdesk, helpdesk(a)ucl.ac.uk for more information X-UCL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: sf-httpd(a)forge.gridforum.org Greg Newby changed 982 on 2004-11-22 11:25:39 Status has changed: - New: 'Pending Info from Authors' Old: 'Final Editor Review' Priority has changed: - New: '2' Old: '1' Assigned To has changed: - New: 'Peter Clarke' Old: 'Greg Newby' Resolution has changed: - New: 'Returned to Authors/Group' Old: '<None>' Respond by visiting: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=982&group_id=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=414&aid=982&group_id=…) Summary: Survey of IPv4 Dependencies in Global Grid Forum Specifications Project: EDITOR Tracker: Submit GGF Draft Artifact ID: 982 Category: Informational Group: DATA Status: Pending Info from Authors Resolution: Returned to Authors/Group Priority: 2 Last Modified By: Greg Newby Last Modified: 2004-11-22 11:25:39 Submitted By: Piers O'Hanlon Submit Date: * 2004-07-20 02:15:02 Assigned To: Peter Clarke File(s): draft-ggf-ipv6-ipv4-dependencies-survey-00_3004-brian-14-7-04.doc Description: This IPv6 Working Group document has passed working group last call. It has been read by the ADs and a small number of other WG chairs. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Greg Newby (2004-11-22 11:25:39) This document is ready to go. I'm making a few small recommendations, to accompany your "Guidelines" document (tracker 981). Please upload a final document when you're ready. - - update the date in the header. - - consider whether there are really 5 Authors (for the header), or whether there are just one or two Editors and the rest are contributors (for listing in a later section). It seems that sometimes people list everyone involved in a document as an Author, which is not ideal. An Author (or Editor) is someone who can vouch for the entire document, and is willing to engage in correspondence & upkeep for the forseeable future. If all 5 are authors, that's fine - but if not, consider listing just one or two editors, and moving the rest to a Contributor section. - - 1.2 "GRID" - is this an acronym, or just Grid? (There is not yet a standard use of "Grid" versus "grid," but my view is that "Grid" currently means the (GGF) standards-compliant grid, and "grid" is generic). - - please double-check that all acronyms are written fully on first use - - 2.2.1: could you put an example of correct usage for http://example.com or similar? Ditto for 2.4.2. - - Section 5: the 1st paragraph(s) before the table have some spacing or other issues. It's not clear whether this is three paragraphs missing extra lines in-between, or whether it's supposed to be one paragraph. Just a little formatting will fix this. - - Section 6: See my comment about security considerations for tracker 981. Might the same apply here? Is there a risk from improper specification of use of IP versions? - - References: add a blank line after each reference, or outdent each entry. Go ahead and respond or update, and upload the final version. Thanks for your work on this! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Greg Newby (2004-11-02 09:11:46) gbn: Sent email to Piers O'Hanlon requesting his feedback on the effectiveness of public comment for this and associated document #981. Status changed to Awaiting Author Feedback. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stacey Giannese (2004-09-28 12:43:06) No comments have been made regarding this document so it will re-enter public comment period again. Due date: 10-28-04. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stacey Giannese (2004-08-13 07:46:53) Document will now enter 30 day public comment period. Due date: 9-13-04 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Charlie Catlett (2004-08-12 13:21:16) This draft has completed the necessary steps prior to being made available for public comment. Authors, working group / research group chairs, and Area Directors should encourage individuals to participate in the public comment process and should announce the public comment availability to appropriate communities and groups. Public comments can be viewed and submitted via the GridForge Editor pages (see Forums) or: http://www.ggf.org/documents Public comments play an important part in the advancement of a GGF draft and publication as a document in the GGF document series. An active public comment period strengthens the case that the document is a useful and desired work product for some community of consumers. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stacey Giannese (2004-07-22 08:42:51) This document has already been reviewed by an AD. It will now proceed to GFSG Review. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Submit GGF Draft : https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=90&atid=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=90&atid=…) ________________________________________ Modify your monitoring preferences: https://forge.gridforum.org/monitoring/monitorPreference.php (https://forge.gridforum.org/monitoring/monitorPreference.php) Turn off monitoring for this Tracker: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?group_id=90&atid=414&aid=982&func=moni… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?group_id=90&atid=414&aid=982&func=moni…) ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list

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Re: [GGF-ipv6-wg] Drafts submission - additional info
by Tim Chown 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

For info, Regarding the IP version independence guidelines doc, the longest possible IPv6 address is not 39 characters like 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 rather it can be 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:ffff:123.123.123.123 which is 50 characters. Thanks to Carl Williams :) Tim On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 11:07:41AM -0400, Bound, Jim wrote: > Thanks Brian. > > Also I wanted to suggest for those doing development for grid networks > with IPv6 either grab beta 4.x tools or wait for 4.x release. 4.x is > close enough better to not rewrite any code now. Important to get Linux > working quickly with 4.x is my take. Thanks > > /jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ipv6-wg(a)gridforum.org > > [mailto:owner-ipv6-wg@gridforum.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:54 AM > > To: ipv6-wg > > Cc: globus(a)6net.org > > Subject: Re: [GGF-ipv6-wg] Drafts submission - additional info > > > > These drafts are now officially in public comment until September 13. > > > > http://www.ggf.org/Public_Comment_Docs/Public_Comment_Documents.htm > > > > Brian > > > > Piers O'Hanlon wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > To those of you who noted that we did originally have three > > drafts - > > > It was decided that our original third draft on Java and > > IPv6 would be best communicated directly to the Java team by > > GGF as opposed to becoming an informational document. > > > > > > Note: Unfortunately the messy filenames that appear in the > > 'tracker' attachment were indeed my original filenames which > > were unexpectedly retained by gridforge?! > > > > > > Additionally I've just received indication that the drafts > > have now been assigned to our ADs for processing within GGF. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Piers O'Hanlon > > > > > --------------________________________________________________________ > > > IPv6-WG CoChair > > > Computer Science Department Phone: +44 (0) 20 7679 3670 > > > University College London Fax: +44 (0) 20 7387 1397 > > > Gower Street Email: P.OHanlon(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk > > > London WC1E 6BT WWW: > > http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/piers > > > > > > ------- > > > Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list > > > > > > > ------- > > Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list > > > > ------- > Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list -- Tim ------- Via the GGF IPv6-WG mailing list

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