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Re: [GRIDRPC-WG] GridSolve slides
by Eddy Caron 30 May '08

30 May '08

Dear Hidemoto, Great news. We work with Frederic on them too. We have all material but we need just a couple of minutes to finalize. The last discussions with Yves, Frederic and Gaël (a PhD student who works on a data manager) implies that we think we should update the current version of the proposal. Indeed we think we should reduce the number of grid_rpc data function. That means the read and write functions don't concern the grid_rpc, they are functions for data manager not for the gridrpc. We try to reduce the API to a good structure to manage the data (same as shown at OGF'22). The data management should be delegated (as soon as possible) with this structure behind each gridrpc implementation. We hope to be ready for the next week but all nights are so short :-). Eddy Le 29 mai 08 à 01:00, Hidemoto Nakada a écrit : > Eddy. > > I've got slides on GridSolve from Keith. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eddy Caron. Mcf ENS Lyon ENS Lyon - LIP - Projet GRAAL 46 Allee d'Italie, 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, France E-Mail : Eddy.Caron(a)ens-lyon.fr [ Tel : 04.37.28.76.46 ][ Web page : http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/~ecaron ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [GRIDRPC-WG] Fwd: OGF support for OGC Web Processing Service spec?
by Eddy Caron 29 May '08

29 May '08

Dear Hidemoto, Everything sounds good for me. Regards, Eddy Le 28 mai 08 à 01:51, Hidemoto Nakada a écrit : > Hi, > > BTW, I've met Yves last week and had great discussion with him. > Thanks, Yves! > >> About the presentation: >> >> How do you want to proceed ? Some points should be fixed very >> quickly >> : >> >> T1. Who gives the talk ? > Hidemoto, and Eddy >> >> T2. Who does the slides pattern ? > I'm not sure that I understand the term 'pattern', here. > But, I'll assemble all the slides into single presentation. > >> T3. Who does slides about Grid-RPC overview ? >> -> You (Hidemoto and Team) ? > will do that. > >> T4. Who does slides about Grid-RPC data management >> -> us (Yves/Gaël/Eddy) >> T5. Who does slides about Ninf ? > we will, off cource. > >> T6. Who does slides about DIET ? >> -> us (Yves/Gaël/Eddy/Frederic) >> >> T7. Who does slides about GridSolve ? >> -> Keith ? > I hope so. > >> T8. Who answer to Craig's question: GridRPC >> (Besides the >> call-response, could Data Handles be used in WPS?) >> -> > I think we can discuss in person at the OGF venue. > >> T9. This talk is in conjunction with Open Geospatial >> Consortium. Have you Geospatial application that we could show. > > no. we (the AIST) have them, but they are not related to Ninf. > > >> >> Best Regards, >> Eddy >> >> >> >> Le 27 mai 08 à 14:09, Hidemoto Nakada a écrit : >> >>> Eddy, >>> >>> How about giving presentation by both of us? >>> >>> One of us will give the Overview and Ninf or Diet >>> and the other will give the rest. >>> >>> Keith, could you give us 5-7 slides on GridSolve? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Eddy Caron <Eddy.Caron(a)ens-lyon.fr> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Hidemoto, >>>> >>>> We can help you for slides. It could be >>>> >>>> Part 1. Grid-RPC overview (basic and with data management) >>>> Part 2. the overview of few Grid-RPC middleware. >>>> Ninf, NetSolve/GridSolve, DIET, Omni-RPC >>>> >>>> How many time ? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Eddy >>>> >>>> Le 7 mai 08 à 04:02, Hidemoto Nakada a écrit : >>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> We've got an invitation for a talk at the upcoming OGC-OGF >>>>> workshop at >>>>> OGF-23 from Craig, one of the co-chairs. >>>>> >>>>> I think we should give it. >>>>> >>>>> any idea? >>>>> >>>>> -hidemoto >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: <lee(a)aero.org> >>>>> Date: Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:21 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: OGF support for OGC Web Processing Service spec? >>>>> To: lee(a)aero.org, Hidemoto Nakada <hide-nakada(a)aist.go.jp>, Yves >>>>> Caniou <yves.caniou(a)ens-lyon.fr>, s.jha(a)ucl.ac.uk, kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl >>>>> , >>>>> Andre Merzky <andre(a)merzky.net>, Andrew Grimshaw >>>>> <grimshaw(a)virginia.edu>, Steven Newhouse >>>>> <Steven.Newhouse(a)microsoft.com>, humphrey(a)cs.virginia.edu, >>>>> Geoffrey >>>>> Fox <gcf(a)grids.ucs.indiana.edu>, Christopher Smith >>>>> <csmith(a)platform.com> >>>>> Cc: Satoshi Sekiguchi <s.sekiguchi(a)aist.go.jp>, Chris Higgins >>>>> <erpl70(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, George Percivall >>>>> <gpercivall(a)opengeospatial.org>, craig(a)rushg.aero.org, scumb(a)ogf.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As part of the upcoming OGC-OGF workshop in Barcelona at OGF-23, >>>>> I would >>>>> very much like to get a brief overview talk from (ideally ;-) the >>>>> SAGA, GridRPC, >>>>> and HPC-Basic Profile groups. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The OGF-23 workshop is being coordinated with the OGC Technical >>>>> Committee >>>>> meeting which is taking place the exact same days as OGF-23 but in >>>>> Potsdam, Germany. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hence, while these overview talks will be presented in >>>>> Barcelona, their >>>>> primary >>>>> audience is intended to be the OGC folks who will be in Potsdam. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OGC represents a potential new user community for OGF grid tools >>>>> so this >>>>> is >>>>> an important opportunity. Also, the next OGC Web Services >>>>> Testbed, >>>>> OWS-6, >>>>> is still in the planning process, and what we discuss in this >>>>> workshop >>>>> could >>>>> very well be picked up for testing and demonstration by the OWS-6 >>>>> sponsors >>>>> and participants. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if your group can provide an overview talk. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 12:52 PM -0800 2/29/08, lee(a)aero.org wrote: >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This request is an action that came out of this week's OGC-OGF >>>>> Collaboration workshop. >>>>> >>>>> OGC (Open Geospatial Consortium) has just announced version 1.0 >>>>> of their >>>>> Web >>>>> Processing Service. (I've forwarded the press release below.) >>>>> I've >>>>> looked at >>>>> earlier versions of this document and based on my initial >>>>> assessments, it seems >>>>> that WPS could very possibly map to: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1) HPC-Basic Profile (How would WPS work w/ JSDL and BES?) >>>>> 2) GridRPC (Besides the call-response, could Data Handles be >>>>> used in >>>>> WPS?) >>>>> 3) SAGA (Much like the GridRPC package, could there be a WPS >>>>> package?) >>>>> >>>>> It would be extremely helpful to get others from each of these >>>>> groups to >>>>> make >>>>> their own assessment. WPS is a basic request-response mechanism >>>>> with >>>>> only >>>>> basic >>>>> support for managing where the data is. Depending on who you >>>>> ask, ~80% >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> data the human race has collected or generated is geospatial >>>>> referenced. Hence, >>>>> OGC represents a huge user base for geospatial data and, imho, >>>>> is a >>>>> natural >>>>> adjacency for grids. All insights, issues, and comments are >>>>> desired! >>>>> >>>>> I know that many of us are very busy and simply will not have >>>>> time to >>>>> read >>>>> an >>>>> 86-page document from beginning to end. But, as with many >>>>> standards >>>>> documents, >>>>> the core of the spec is presented in only about ten pages, with >>>>> the rest >>>>> of the >>>>> doc being necessary detail to clearly define the spec. Hence, >>>>> pages >>>>> 4-11 >>>>> present the WPS overview, and pages 11-48 go into more detail >>>>> about the >>>>> three >>>>> main WPS functions: GetCapability, DescribeProcess, and Execute. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know right away if you can help with this >>>>> assessment. >>>>> I'd like to collect comments in a few weeks. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> --Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Delivered-To: lee(a)aero.org >>>>> Delivered-To: lee(a)ogf.org >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:48:22 -0500 >>>>> From: OGC Press <announce(a)opengeospatial.org> >>>>> Organization: OGC >>>>> To: tc(a)opengeospatial.org, pc(a)opengeospatial.org >>>>> X-Virus-Status: Clean >>>>> Subject: [Tc] OGC(R) Approves Web Processing Service Standard >>>>> X-BeenThere: tc(a)opengeospatial.org >>>>> Reply-To: announce(a)opengeospatial.org >>>>> List-Id: "The Technical Committee is responsible for all aspects >>>>> of the >>>>> formal >>>>> consensus OGC specification process. " <tc.opengeospatial.org> >>>>> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/tc >>>>> >, >>>>> <mailto:tc-request@opengeospatial.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> List-Archive: <https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/private/tc> >>>>> List-Post: <mailto:tc@opengeospatial.org> >>>>> List-Help: <mailto:tc-request@opengeospatial.org?subject=help> >>>>> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/tc >>>>> >, >>>>> <mailto:tc-request@opengeospatial.org?subject=subscribe> >>>>> Sender: tc-bounces+lee=ogf.org(a)opengeospatial.org >>>>> >>>>> PRESS ANNOUNCEMENT FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>>> For information about this announcement, contact: >>>>> >>>>> Sam Bacharach >>>>> Executive Director, Outreach and Community Adoption >>>>> Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc >>>>> tel: +1-703-352-3938 >>>>> sbacharach(a)opengeospatial.org >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wayland, Mass., February 22, 2008 - The members of the Open >>>>> Geospatial >>>>> Consortium, Inc. (OGC) have approved version 1.0 of the OpenGIS(R) >>>>> Web Processing Service (WPS) Interface Standard. >>>>> >>>>> The WPS standard defines an interface that facilitates the >>>>> publishing >>>>> of geospatial processes and makes it easier to write software >>>>> clients >>>>> that can discover and bind to those processes. Processes include >>>>> any >>>>> algorithm, calculation or model that operates on spatially >>>>> referenced >>>>> raster or vector data. Publishing means making available >>>>> machine-readable binding information as well as human-readable >>>>> metadata that allows service discovery and use. >>>>> >>>>> A WPS can be used to define calculations as simple as >>>>> subtracting one >>>>> set of spatially referenced data from another (e.g., determining >>>>> the >>>>> difference in influenza cases between two different seasons), or >>>>> as >>>>> complicated as a hydrological model. The data required by the >>>>> WPS can >>>>> be delivered across a network or it can be made available at the >>>>> server. This interface specification provides mechanisms to >>>>> identify >>>>> the spatially referenced data required by the calculation, >>>>> initiate >>>>> the calculation, and manage the output from the calculation so >>>>> that >>>>> the client can access it. >>>>> >>>>> The OGC's WPS standard will play an important role in automating >>>>> workflows that involve geospatial data and geoprocessing services. >>>>> >>>>> The OGC(R) is an international consortium of more than 345 >>>>> companies, government agencies, research organizations, and >>>>> universities participating in a consensus process to develop >>>>> publicly >>>>> available geospatial standards. OpenGIS(R) Standards support >>>>> interoperable solutions that "geo-enable" the Web, wireless >>>>> and location-based services, and mainstream IT. OGC Standards >>>>> empower >>>>> technology developers to make geospatial information and services >>>>> accessible and useful with any application that needs to be >>>>> geospatially enabled. Visit the OGC website at >>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tc mailing list >>>>> Tc(a)opengeospatial.org >>>>> https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/tc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:05-007r7_Web_Process#616217.pdf >>>>> (PDF /«IC») (00616217) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> HIDEMOTO NAKADA, AIST >>>>> -- >>>>> gridrpc-wg mailing list >>>>> gridrpc-wg(a)ogf.org >>>>> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/gridrpc-wg >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Eddy Caron. Mcf ENS Lyon >>>> ENS Lyon - LIP - Projet GRAAL >>>> 46 Allee d'Italie, 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, France >>>> E-Mail : Eddy.Caron(a)ens-lyon.fr >>>> [ Tel : 04.37.28.76.46 ][ Web page : http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/~ecaron >>>> ] >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> HIDEMOTO NAKADA, AIST >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Eddy Caron. Mcf ENS Lyon >> ENS Lyon - LIP - Projet GRAAL >> 46 Allee d'Italie, 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, France >> E-Mail : Eddy.Caron(a)ens-lyon.fr >> [ Tel : 04.37.28.76.46 ][ Web page : http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/ >> ~ecaron ] >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > > > -- > HIDEMOTO NAKADA, AIST ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eddy Caron. Mcf ENS Lyon ENS Lyon - LIP - Projet GRAAL 46 Allee d'Italie, 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, France E-Mail : Eddy.Caron(a)ens-lyon.fr [ Tel : 04.37.28.76.46 ][ Web page : http://graal.ens-lyon.fr/~ecaron ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Recharter?
by Yusuke Tanimura 20 May '08

20 May '08

Dear all, I am posting this email on behalf of Hidemoto. Our current chater is out of date and we are being asked to review and update the charter by GFSG. An attached file is a draft recharter document which revised to reflect some of our discussion in OGF22. I think one of the biggest changes would be to specify the time schedule for "A GridRPC Model and API for Middleware Developers" document. DIET team, could you check if this schedule is ok for you? First Draft: 2008-06 Public Comment: 2008-08 (I added) Publication: 2008-12 (I added) If there is any other description to be updted (e.g. Group Focus and Scope), please raise a discussion. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------- Yusuke Tanimura <yusuke.tanimura(a)aist.go.jp> Information Technology Research Institute, AIST 1-1-1 Umezono, Tsukuba Central 2 Tsukuba City 305-8568, Japan TEL: +81-29-862-6703 / FAX: +81-29-862-6601

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Fwd: OGF support for OGC Web Processing Service spec?
by Hidemoto Nakada 13 May '08

13 May '08

All, We've got an invitation for a talk at the upcoming OGC-OGF workshop at OGF-23 from Craig, one of the co-chairs. I think we should give it. any idea? -hidemoto ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <lee(a)aero.org> Date: Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:21 AM Subject: Re: OGF support for OGC Web Processing Service spec? To: lee(a)aero.org, Hidemoto Nakada <hide-nakada(a)aist.go.jp>, Yves Caniou <yves.caniou(a)ens-lyon.fr>, s.jha(a)ucl.ac.uk, kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl, Andre Merzky <andre(a)merzky.net>, Andrew Grimshaw <grimshaw(a)virginia.edu>, Steven Newhouse <Steven.Newhouse(a)microsoft.com>, humphrey(a)cs.virginia.edu, Geoffrey Fox <gcf(a)grids.ucs.indiana.edu>, Christopher Smith <csmith(a)platform.com> Cc: Satoshi Sekiguchi <s.sekiguchi(a)aist.go.jp>, Chris Higgins <erpl70(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, George Percivall <gpercivall(a)opengeospatial.org>, craig(a)rushg.aero.org, scumb(a)ogf.org All, As part of the upcoming OGC-OGF workshop in Barcelona at OGF-23, I would very much like to get a brief overview talk from (ideally ;-) the SAGA, GridRPC, and HPC-Basic Profile groups. The OGF-23 workshop is being coordinated with the OGC Technical Committee meeting which is taking place the exact same days as OGF-23 but in Potsdam, Germany. Hence, while these overview talks will be presented in Barcelona, their primary audience is intended to be the OGC folks who will be in Potsdam. OGC represents a potential new user community for OGF grid tools so this is an important opportunity. Also, the next OGC Web Services Testbed, OWS-6, is still in the planning process, and what we discuss in this workshop could very well be picked up for testing and demonstration by the OWS-6 sponsors and participants. Please let me know if your group can provide an overview talk. Thanks! --Craig At 12:52 PM -0800 2/29/08, lee(a)aero.org wrote: All, This request is an action that came out of this week's OGC-OGF Collaboration workshop. OGC (Open Geospatial Consortium) has just announced version 1.0 of their Web Processing Service. (I've forwarded the press release below.) I've looked at earlier versions of this document and based on my initial assessments, it seems that WPS could very possibly map to: 1) HPC-Basic Profile (How would WPS work w/ JSDL and BES?) 2) GridRPC (Besides the call-response, could Data Handles be used in WPS?) 3) SAGA (Much like the GridRPC package, could there be a WPS package?) It would be extremely helpful to get others from each of these groups to make their own assessment. WPS is a basic request-response mechanism with only basic support for managing where the data is. Depending on who you ask, ~80% of the data the human race has collected or generated is geospatial referenced. Hence, OGC represents a huge user base for geospatial data and, imho, is a natural adjacency for grids. All insights, issues, and comments are desired! I know that many of us are very busy and simply will not have time to read an 86-page document from beginning to end. But, as with many standards documents, the core of the spec is presented in only about ten pages, with the rest of the doc being necessary detail to clearly define the spec. Hence, pages 4-11 present the WPS overview, and pages 11-48 go into more detail about the three main WPS functions: GetCapability, DescribeProcess, and Execute. Please let me know right away if you can help with this assessment. I'd like to collect comments in a few weeks. Thanks, --Craig Delivered-To: lee(a)aero.org Delivered-To: lee(a)ogf.org Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:48:22 -0500 From: OGC Press <announce(a)opengeospatial.org> Organization: OGC To: tc(a)opengeospatial.org, pc(a)opengeospatial.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [Tc] OGC(R) Approves Web Processing Service Standard X-BeenThere: tc(a)opengeospatial.org Reply-To: announce(a)opengeospatial.org List-Id: "The Technical Committee is responsible for all aspects of the formal consensus OGC specification process. " <tc.opengeospatial.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/tc>, <mailto:tc-request@opengeospatial.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/private/tc> List-Post: <mailto:tc@opengeospatial.org> List-Help: <mailto:tc-request@opengeospatial.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/tc>, <mailto:tc-request@opengeospatial.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: tc-bounces+lee=ogf.org(a)opengeospatial.org PRESS ANNOUNCEMENT FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For information about this announcement, contact: Sam Bacharach Executive Director, Outreach and Community Adoption Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc tel: +1-703-352-3938 sbacharach(a)opengeospatial.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayland, Mass., February 22, 2008 - The members of the Open Geospatial Consortium, Inc. (OGC) have approved version 1.0 of the OpenGIS(R) Web Processing Service (WPS) Interface Standard. The WPS standard defines an interface that facilitates the publishing of geospatial processes and makes it easier to write software clients that can discover and bind to those processes. Processes include any algorithm, calculation or model that operates on spatially referenced raster or vector data. Publishing means making available machine-readable binding information as well as human-readable metadata that allows service discovery and use. A WPS can be used to define calculations as simple as subtracting one set of spatially referenced data from another (e.g., determining the difference in influenza cases between two different seasons), or as complicated as a hydrological model. The data required by the WPS can be delivered across a network or it can be made available at the server. This interface specification provides mechanisms to identify the spatially referenced data required by the calculation, initiate the calculation, and manage the output from the calculation so that the client can access it. The OGC's WPS standard will play an important role in automating workflows that involve geospatial data and geoprocessing services. The OGC(R) is an international consortium of more than 345 companies, government agencies, research organizations, and universities participating in a consensus process to develop publicly available geospatial standards. OpenGIS(R) Standards support interoperable solutions that "geo-enable" the Web, wireless and location-based services, and mainstream IT. OGC Standards empower technology developers to make geospatial information and services accessible and useful with any application that needs to be geospatially enabled. Visit the OGC website at http://www.opengeospatial.org/. _______________________________________________ Tc mailing list Tc(a)opengeospatial.org https://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/tc Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:05-007r7_Web_Process#616217.pdf (PDF /«IC») (00616217) -- HIDEMOTO NAKADA, AIST

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