June 2006 - graap-wg - lists.ogf.org

RE: [graap-wg] url for the Web Services Policy WG in W3C
by Toshiyuki Nakata 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

> Hello: > Asit: Thank you very much for the pointer. > > I intend to attend today's teleconference, but I might fail > to do so, .. > All in all I would suggest that for this version of the spec, > we should stick to the current spec to be released and > consider the modifications for the next version of the specification. Sorry I couldn't attend last week's teleconference. Afterwards I heard that the modification to the current spec would be small.... So.. Since the change seems to be small, could we keep the spec as it is and reflect the change when the new WS-Policy specification is finalised ? Best Regards Toshi ----- Toshiyuki Nakata 中田　登志之 Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > -----Original Message----- > From: Toshiyuki Nakata [mailto:t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:18 AM > To: 'Asit Dan' > Cc: 'GRAAP-WG' > Subject: RE: [graap-wg] url for the Web Services Policy WG in W3C > > Hello: > Asit: Thank you very much for the pointer. > > I intend to attend today's teleconference, but I might fail > to do so, so here are my views on PROS and CONS: > > PROS: > Quote: from > http://www.w3.org/2006/04/ws-policy-charter.html > "Web Services Policy defines a flexible policy data model and > an extensible grammar for expressing the capabilities, > requirements and general characteristics of a Web service, > and defines mechanisms for associating policies with Web > service constructs. > Web Services Policy is used to convey the conditions for an > interaction between a Web service requester and a Web service > provider." > It would be good to have this related part in WS-Agreement > described in a compatible way as that would make acceptance > of WS-Agreement easier. > > CONS: > 1)Adopting WS-Policy would mean that WS-Agreement would > depend on a specification which still needs to be agreeed to. > While the charter does say that "Therefore, this Working > Group shall be schedule-driven and Web Services Policy shall > remain compatible with and to the extent possible accommodate > the use of these existing policy assertions. " > Until the final draft is out, one may not know what will stay stable. > The end date is 31 December 2007 which is a year and a half > away. I think many people have been waiting for WS-Agreement > spec to be completed and to have to really wait more might > have negative effects. > > 2)Adopting WS-Policy would mean that there would be need to > change the current implementations. > I do not know how many implementations of WS-policy there are > in the world but to have to modify the current > imlplementation would have some negative issues (at least for > the implementation people) for getting interoperability etc. > > 3)(This is a minor issue) Since this has a large impact, we > might need another call of public comments. > > All in all I would suggest that for this version of the spec, > we should stick to the current spec to be released and > consider the modifications for the next version of the specification. > > Best regards > Toshi > > ----- > Toshiyuki Nakata 中田　登志之 > Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, > Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan > Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax > +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-graap-wg(a)ggf.org > [mailto:owner-graap-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf > > Of Asit Dan > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:04 AM > > To: Toshiyuki Nakata > > Cc: GRAAP-WG > > Subject: [graap-wg] url for the Web Services Policy WG in W3C > > > > > > Toshi, > > As per the discussion in today's call, here is the url > for the Web > > Services Policy Working Group Charter. > > http://www.w3.org/2006/04/ws-policy-charter.html > > > > You can find the WS-Policy document by following the > WS-Policy” Member > > Submission <http://www.w3.org/Submission/2006/06/> link. > > Regards. > > Asit Dan, Ph.D. > > SWG SOA Design Requirements > > Phone: (914) 766-1767 > > Internet: asit(a)us.ibm.com > > ICSOC 06 PC Chair (http://www.icsoc.org) > > >

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telecon on 6/28
by Jim Pruyne 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

We will have a telecon. on Wed. morning/evening. Dial-in numbers will be the same: 9:00AM Central Daylight Time US (UTC-5) which should be: 10:00AM Eastern Daylight Time US 1500 UK 1600 Germany 2300 Japan 2100 Thailand Phone Number: 866-673-8466 in the US. 702-477-6031 for those outside the US. Conference code #8578310.

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no telecon on 6/21
by Jim Pruyne 21 Jun '06

21 Jun '06

All, I'm unable to establish or attend a telecon on 6/21. Our main priority right now is inventorying any outstanding work items on the specification. Heiko provided his input earlier today. If people who have any outstanding items could reply to this, we can determine what remains, and figure out how to complete the specification for submittal. Thanks. --- Jim

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Checked Schemas and WSDLs
by Heiko Ludwig 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

All, as discussed, I checked all schemas and WSDLs for consistency, based on the version that Asit sent around the other day. The following changes were made: - There was a maxOccurs=unbounded in the root-level element " AgreementServiceReferenceList" Doesn't make any sense. How did it came here? - Addressing was put to the 2006/3 version of the addressing specification file: <xs:import namespace= "http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing" schemaLocation= "http://www.w3.org/2006/03/addressing/ws-addr.xsd"/> - numerous missing quotes were fixed - KPI Target etc. was added, according to Asit's proposal. We might think about some different names for that though, e.g., TargetName and TargetValue Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig(a)us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 675 8469 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/

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url for the Web Services Policy WG in W3C
by Asit Dan 15 Jun '06

15 Jun '06

Toshi, As per the discussion in today's call, here is the url for the Web Services Policy Working Group Charter. http://www.w3.org/2006/04/ws-policy-charter.html You can find the WS-Policy document by following the WS-Policy? Member Submission link. Regards. Asit Dan, Ph.D. SWG SOA Design Requirements Phone: (914) 766-1767 Internet: asit(a)us.ibm.com ICSOC 06 PC Chair (http://www.icsoc.org)

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Minutes call of June 7, 2006
by Heiko Ludwig 07 Jun '06

07 Jun '06

Summary minutes of today's call: Attendees: Toshiyuki Nakata Wolfgang Ziegler Asit Dan Heiko Ludwig Discussion of Asit's proposal for DPI Targets in Service Level Objectives - Asit to prepare example for further discussion and to be included into appendix - Asit and Heiko to propose schema, to be used in the example Finalization of the Schema and WSDLs - Heiko to verify schemas and check name space consistency WS-Policy use. - WS-Policy was submitted for discussion to W3C and is now in the official standards process - Heiko to investigate options of using the proposal in our specification Due to changes in the grid forge, some work is being delayed and links are inconsistent. Respectfully submitted, Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig(a)us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 675 8469 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/

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Fw: Hello:::::GRAAP
by Asit Dan 07 Jun '06

07 Jun '06

fyi -- callin for today Regards. Asit Dan, Ph.D. SWG SOA Design Requirements Phone: (914) 766-1767 Internet: asit(a)us.ibm.com ICSOC 06 PC Chair (http://www.icsoc.org) ----- Forwarded by Asit Dan/Watson/IBM on 06/07/2006 10:21 AM ----- Heiko Ludwig/Watson/IBM 06/07/2006 10:18 AM To Wolfgang Ziegler <Wolfgang.Ziegler(a)scai.fraunhofer.de> cc Asit Dan/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, "'Jim Pruyne'" <jim_pruyne(a)hp.com>, Karl Czajkowski <karlcz(a)univa.com>, ph.wieder(a)fz-juelich.de, t-nakata(a)cw.jp.nec.com Subject Re: Hello:::::GRAAP Do we have a critical mass to switch to another call in number. if you like, let's move to mine. Toll Free: 866-814-9631 International: +1-210-301-7021 Participant Passcode: 7134521 Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig(a)us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 675 8469 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ Wolfgang Ziegler <Wolfgang.Ziegler(a)scai.fraunhofer.de> 06/07/2006 10:10 AM To t-nakata(a)cw.jp.nec.com cc Karl Czajkowski <karlcz(a)univa.com>, "'Jim Pruyne'" <jim_pruyne(a)hp.com>, Heiko Ludwig/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, ph.wieder(a)fz-juelich.de, Asit Dan/Watson/IBM@IBMUS Subject Re: Hello:::::GRAAP yes, me ;-) Toshiyuki Nakata schrieb: > Hi: Anyone connected? > Best Regards > Toshi > >> > -- Wolfgang Ziegler www.scai.fraunhofer.de/ziegler.html Fraunhofer-Institute for Algorithms and Scientific Computing (SCAI) Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany Tel: +49 2241 14 2258; Fax: +49 2241 14 42258 CoreGRID Network of Excellence www.coregrid.net Collaboration Gateway www.coregrid.net/cg Institute on Resource Management and Scheduling www.coregrid.net/irms

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telecon on 6/7
by Jim Pruyne 07 Jun '06

07 Jun '06

We will have a telecon. on Wed. morning/evening. Dial-in numbers will be the same: 9:00AM Central Daylight Time US (UTC-5) which should be: 10:00AM Eastern Daylight Time US 1500 UK 1600 Germany 2300 Japan 2100 Thailand Phone Number: 866-673-8466 in the US. 702-477-6031 for those outside the US. Conference code #8578310.

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