GLUE2 enumerations
Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
Dear Florido, Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there. Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage. While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD. Cheers --jens ________________________________ From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== This email and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named recipients. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email or any of its attachments and should notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this email or any attachments containing viruses or malware but the recipient should carry out its own virus and malware checks before opening the attachments. UKRI does not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. Opinions, conclusions or other information in this message and attachments that are not related directly to UKRI business are solely those of the author and do not represent the views of UKRI.
Hi all, In the spirit of reaching out, GOCDB has received a request to add a new service type for Kubernetes platforms that allow direct access to the Kubernetes API. There is a GGUS ticket open here: https://ggus.eu/index.php?mode=ticket_info&ticket_id=148537 to track the discussion around this request if anyone on this list has any comment on it. Thanks Greg From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk> Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 To: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Dear Florido, Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there. Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage. While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD. Cheers --jens ________________________________ From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== This email and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named recipients. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email or any of its attachments and should notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. 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Hi all, In the hopes of kicking off some GOCDB/GLUE2 enumerations engagement – I have just opened a PR for a recent ServiceType request that came into GOCDB: https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19 Thanks Greg From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk> Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 To: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Dear Florido, Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there. Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage. While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD. Cheers --jens ________________________________ From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== This email and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named recipients. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email or any of its attachments and should notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. 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Greg and other GLUE2 WG members. I recommend that Enumeration pull requests be merged 2 weeks after the request when there are no comments or objections through the list. If nobody else volunteers, I will merge on 2021-01-10. Regards, JP
On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
In the hopes of kicking off some GOCDB/GLUE2 enumerations engagement – I have just opened a PR for a recent ServiceType request that came into GOCDB: https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19 <https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19>
Thanks Greg
From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk> Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 To: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations
Dear Florido,
Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there.
Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage.
While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD.
Cheers --jens
From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations <https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations>
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls <https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls>
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= <http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download=>
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli <http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli> ==================================================
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Hi all Sorry for lagging behind about this, in the summer I had some time but then everything became more messy here. Let's see if I find the time by this or the next week. I must admit I got lost after the n-th "where shall we put documentation" discussion, felt a bit like a déjà vu after 5-6 years of inactivity :) If I don't manage to follow up in the mailing list I may ask for a summary. Cheers, Florido On 2021-01-27 20:42, Navarro, JP wrote:
Greg and other GLUE2 WG members.
I recommend that Enumeration pull requests be merged 2 weeks after the request when there are no comments or objections through the list.
If nobody else volunteers, I will merge on 2021-01-10.
Regards,
JP
On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi all, In the hopes of kicking off some GOCDB/GLUE2 enumerations engagement – I have just opened a PR for a recent ServiceType request that came into GOCDB:https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19 Thanks Greg *From:*Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>> *Sent:*Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 *To:*Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> *Cc:*Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> *Subject:*Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Dear Florido, Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad😢with some very old PRs languishing in there.
Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage.
While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD.
Cheers --jens
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:*glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> *Sent:*30 July 2020 09:54 *To:*OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> *Cc:*Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> *Subject:*[glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download=
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage:http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
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Thanks JP, I wonder if going forward it makes sense to have the two week PR review window coincide with two week review window for the GOCDB service type request, rather than follow consecutively? That way, if the PR review through up any issues, they can be address before the service type is created in GOCDB. Thoughts? Thanks, Greg From: Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov> Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:43 To: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Cc: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>; Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Greg and other GLUE2 WG members. I recommend that Enumeration pull requests be merged 2 weeks after the request when there are no comments or objections through the list. If nobody else volunteers, I will merge on 2021-01-10. Regards, JP On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote: Hi all, In the hopes of kicking off some GOCDB/GLUE2 enumerations engagement – I have just opened a PR for a recent ServiceType request that came into GOCDB: https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19 Thanks Greg From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>> Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 To: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Dear Florido, Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there. Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage. While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD. Cheers --jens ________________________________ From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== This email and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named recipients. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email or any of its attachments and should notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. 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Greg, Seems reasonable to me, as long as the GLUE WG community has two weeks. So, the two week period starts when the GLUE WG list is notified of the proposed GOCDB service change? Thanks, JP
On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
Thanks JP,
I wonder if going forward it makes sense to have the two week PR review window coincide with two week review window for the GOCDB service type request, rather than follow consecutively?
That way, if the PR review through up any issues, they can be address before the service type is created in GOCDB.
Thoughts? Thanks, Greg
From: Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov> Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:43 To: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Cc: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>; Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations
Greg and other GLUE2 WG members.
I recommend that Enumeration pull requests be merged 2 weeks after the request when there are no comments or objections through the list.
If nobody else volunteers, I will merge on 2021-01-10.
Regards,
JP
On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi all,
In the hopes of kicking off some GOCDB/GLUE2 enumerations engagement – I have just opened a PR for a recent ServiceType request that came into GOCDB: https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19 <https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19>
Thanks Greg
From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>> Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 To: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations
Dear Florido,
Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there.
Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage.
While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD.
Cheers --jens
From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk <mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations <https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations>
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls <https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls>
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= <http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download=>
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli <http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli> ==================================================
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Hi JP,
So, the two week period starts when the GLUE WG list is notified of the proposed GOCDB service change?
I would say so. I’ll make the PR shortly around the same time I notify the WG going forward. Thanks Greg From: Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2021 15:24 To: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Cc: Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov>; Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>; Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Greg, Seems reasonable to me, as long as the GLUE WG community has two weeks. So, the two week period starts when the GLUE WG list is notified of the proposed GOCDB service change? Thanks, JP On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote: Thanks JP, I wonder if going forward it makes sense to have the two week PR review window coincide with two week review window for the GOCDB service type request, rather than follow consecutively? That way, if the PR review through up any issues, they can be address before the service type is created in GOCDB. Thoughts? Thanks, Greg From: Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov<mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:43 To: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Cc: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>>; Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Greg and other GLUE2 WG members. I recommend that Enumeration pull requests be merged 2 weeks after the request when there are no comments or objections through the list. If nobody else volunteers, I will merge on 2021-01-10. Regards, JP On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote: Hi all, In the hopes of kicking off some GOCDB/GLUE2 enumerations engagement – I have just opened a PR for a recent ServiceType request that came into GOCDB: https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pull/19 Thanks Greg From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) <jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk>> Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2020 10:38 To: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>>; OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Dear Florido, Thanks for poking the list. Hmm you are right, it looks more than a bit sad 😢 with some very old PRs languishing in there. Now the spirit of OGF groups was always supposed to be the low barrier to entry, that someone could wander in and start doing work, and IMHO Greg and George are doing exactly the right thing by reaching out to standards organisations and international community etc etc. If the Old GLUE Guard has not fully lost interest, and I don't think it has, at least it should find a way to engage. While we're on the topic, Andre as your AD is also hopelessly overcommitted, sadly, so unless Andre pipes up and convinces me otherwise, I think we need to find you a new AD. Cheers --jens ________________________________ From: glue-wg <glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg-bounces@ogf.org>> on behalf of Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> Sent: 30 July 2020 09:54 To: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org>> Cc: Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk<mailto:greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk>> Subject: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download= Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se> Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== This email and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named recipients. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this email or any of its attachments and should notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. 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Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon. As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations. Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG
On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download=
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
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Hi all, On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote:
Hello Florido,
Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon.
I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment.
As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out.
Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations.
I can do. Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome. I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format: https://redmine.ogf.org/projects/glue-wg/wiki/Enumerations_procedures_and_be... Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date. I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link. Cheers, Florido
Regards,
JP
p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG
On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download=
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
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For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi all, On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote: Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon. I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment. As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations. I can do. Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome. I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og... Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date. I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link. Cheers, Florido Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf... Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@remove_thishep.lu.se> Homepage: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hep.lu.... ================================================== _______________________________________________ glue-wg mailing list glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ogf.or... -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@remove_thishep.lu.se> Homepage: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hep.lu.... ================================================== _______________________________________________ glue-wg mailing list glue-wg@ogf.org<mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ogf.or...
Hi Alan, I am a bit confused. Can you clarify why there's two github repos now? I see https://github.com/OGF-GLUE and https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE You mean the latter is the actual official one? I do not remember any longer how we got into the former one. Also the former currently has well-defined teams as long as I can see. But probably they no longer make any sense. How would you keep the two in sync if it makes any sense to do that? Cheers, Florido On 2020-07-31 16:00, Sill, Alan wrote:
For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE
We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward.
Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all,
On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote:
Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon.
I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment.
As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations.
I can do.
Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome.
I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og...
Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date.
I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link.
Cheers, Florido
Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG
On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf...
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@remove_thishep.lu.se> Homepage:https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hep.lu.... ==================================================
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The OGF GLUE group began to use GitHub before OGF created the official github.com/opengridforum area. For continuity and ease of finding the official areas, we are encouraging OGF groups to migrate their work to the official OGF community pages areas. Further features of this are under development to transition the old OGF Redmine git repositories and to introduce new tools to make online preparation of documents easier for all groups. Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi Alan,
I am a bit confused. Can you clarify why there's two github repos now? I see
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... and https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
You mean the latter is the actual official one? I do not remember any longer how we got into the former one.
Also the former currently has well-defined teams as long as I can see. But probably they no longer make any sense.
How would you keep the two in sync if it makes any sense to do that?
Cheers, Florido
On 2020-07-31 16:00, Sill, Alan wrote:
For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward. Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all,
On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote:
Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon.
I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment.
As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations.
I can do.
Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome.
I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og...
Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date.
I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link.
Cheers, Florido
Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG
On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf...
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@remove_thishep.lu.se> Homepage:https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hep.lu.... ==================================================
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Alan, Could you please elaborate on the “further features” that are under development and any transition or new tools? Are there any guidelines or best practices on how to organize GitHub content consistently between working groups? I want to organize GLUE WG migration to https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE right away so that we leverage any tools you have and not duplicate effort where avoidable. Thanks, JP
On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Sill, Alan <alan.sill@ttu.edu> wrote:
The OGF GLUE group began to use GitHub before OGF created the official github.com/opengridforum area. For continuity and ease of finding the official areas, we are encouraging OGF groups to migrate their work to the official OGF community pages areas. Further features of this are under development to transition the old OGF Redmine git repositories and to introduce new tools to make online preparation of documents easier for all groups.
Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi Alan,
I am a bit confused. Can you clarify why there's two github repos now? I see
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... and https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
You mean the latter is the actual official one? I do not remember any longer how we got into the former one.
Also the former currently has well-defined teams as long as I can see. But probably they no longer make any sense.
How would you keep the two in sync if it makes any sense to do that?
Cheers, Florido
On 2020-07-31 16:00, Sill, Alan wrote:
For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward. Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all,
On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote:
Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon.
I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment.
As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations.
I can do.
Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome.
I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og...
Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date.
I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link.
Cheers, Florido
Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG
On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf...
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@remove_thishep.lu.se> Homepage:https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hep.lu.... ==================================================
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We have been able to arrange permanent free access to the GitBook tool (https://gitbook.com) used by many European projects for OGF use as a non-profit organization. This tool provides many features to enable conversion of documents from various source formats (e.g., Microsoft Word) to Markdown and/or rich text format and maintenance of these documents in a repository-friendly way (e.g., on GitHub). We think this will be a viable way of producing and maintaining documents that does not tie us unduly to GitBook but will allow the option of a rich feature set. Details are at https://docs.gitbook.com and I can send you an invitation to set up a team that you can then tie to the preferred OGF-GLUE repository through their GitHub integration. In general we are trying to migrate to have OGF document production practices more in line with current best practices in the online community for ease of maintenance and long-term continuity. We’re open to any other suggestions along these lines, of course. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov<mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov>> wrote: Alan, Could you please elaborate on the “further features” that are under development and any transition or new tools? Are there any guidelines or best practices on how to organize GitHub content consistently between working groups? I want to organize GLUE WG migration to https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE right away so that we leverage any tools you have and not duplicate effort where avoidable. Thanks, JP On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Sill, Alan <alan.sill@ttu.edu<mailto:alan.sill@ttu.edu>> wrote: The OGF GLUE group began to use GitHub before OGF created the official github.com/opengridforum<http://github.com/opengridforum> area. For continuity and ease of finding the official areas, we are encouraging OGF groups to migrate their work to the official OGF community pages areas. Further features of this are under development to transition the old OGF Redmine git repositories and to introduce new tools to make online preparation of documents easier for all groups. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi Alan, I am a bit confused. Can you clarify why there's two github repos now? I see https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... and https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... You mean the latter is the actual official one? I do not remember any longer how we got into the former one. Also the former currently has well-defined teams as long as I can see. But probably they no longer make any sense. How would you keep the two in sync if it makes any sense to do that? Cheers, Florido On 2020-07-31 16:00, Sill, Alan wrote: For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi all, On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote: Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon. I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment. As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations. I can do. Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome. I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og... Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date. I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link. Cheers, Florido Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf... Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. 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Hi Alan, Please send me an invitation to setup the GLUE WG team on gitbook.com. Will I be able to invite or add other GLUE WG folks, or do we need to identify all the GLUE WG contributors? Are there specific current best practices in the online community that we should pay special attention to? Thanks, JP
On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Sill, Alan <alan.sill@ttu.edu> wrote:
We have been able to arrange permanent free access to the GitBook tool (https://gitbook.com <https://gitbook.com/>) used by many European projects for OGF use as a non-profit organization. This tool provides many features to enable conversion of documents from various source formats (e.g., Microsoft Word) to Markdown and/or rich text format and maintenance of these documents in a repository-friendly way (e.g., on GitHub). We think this will be a viable way of producing and maintaining documents that does not tie us unduly to GitBook but will allow the option of a rich feature set. Details are at https://docs.gitbook.com <https://docs.gitbook.com/> and I can send you an invitation to set up a team that you can then tie to the preferred OGF-GLUE repository through their GitHub integration.
In general we are trying to migrate to have OGF document production practices more in line with current best practices in the online community for ease of maintenance and long-term continuity. We’re open to any other suggestions along these lines, of course.
Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov <mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov>> wrote:
Alan,
Could you please elaborate on the “further features” that are under development and any transition or new tools?
Are there any guidelines or best practices on how to organize GitHub content consistently between working groups?
I want to organize GLUE WG migration to https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE <https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE> right away so that we leverage any tools you have and not duplicate effort where avoidable.
Thanks,
JP
On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Sill, Alan <alan.sill@ttu.edu <mailto:alan.sill@ttu.edu>> wrote:
The OGF GLUE group began to use GitHub before OGF created the official github.com/opengridforum <http://github.com/opengridforum> area. For continuity and ease of finding the official areas, we are encouraging OGF groups to migrate their work to the official OGF community pages areas. Further features of this are under development to transition the old OGF Redmine git repositories and to introduce new tools to make online preparation of documents easier for all groups.
Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi Alan,
I am a bit confused. Can you clarify why there's two github repos now? I see
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FOGF-GLUE&data=02%7C01%7CAlan.Sill%40ttu.edu%7Cc7cc3d930be247523b0308d835610ec8%7C178a51bf8b2049ffb65556245d5c173c%7C0%7C0%7C637318038269651626&sdata=Q3elZh0Vaz5PyolJ9EdzduuIOfiHdzhwa59IMOZg3Sc%3D&reserved=0> and https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com...
You mean the latter is the actual official one? I do not remember any longer how we got into the former one.
Also the former currently has well-defined teams as long as I can see. But probably they no longer make any sense.
How would you keep the two in sync if it makes any sense to do that?
Cheers, Florido
On 2020-07-31 16:00, Sill, Alan wrote:
For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward. Alan
On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote:
Hi all,
On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote: > Hello Florido, > Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon.
I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment.
> As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. > Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations.
I can do.
Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome.
I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og...
Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date.
I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link.
Cheers, Florido
> Regards, > JP > p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG >> On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, >> as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. >> >> I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of >> the Open Enumerations registry at >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... >> >> I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I >> do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer >> actively doing the merges. >> >> I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group >> is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in >> being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining >> the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. >> >> My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... >> >> Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer >> they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of >> GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept >> consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group >> activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe >> were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. >> >> About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull >> requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much >> they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I >> remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I >> forgot what it was about. >> >> I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some >> confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB >> servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. >> >> I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID >> negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. >> >> I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document >> which defines formats and other similar things? >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf... >> >> Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges >> that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not >> following up. >> >> Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with >> the actual procedure including pull requests. >> >> Cheers, >> Florido >> -- >> ================================================== >> Florido Paganelli >> ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration >> System Administrator >> Lund University >> Department of Physics >> Division of Particle Physics >> BOX118 >> 221 00 Lund >> Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 >> Office Tel: 046-2220272 >> Email:florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se <mailto:florido.paganelli@remove_thishep.lu.se> >> Homepage:https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hep.lu.... >> ================================================== >> >> _______________________________________________ >> glue-wg mailing list >> glue-wg@ogf.org <mailto:glue-wg@ogf.org> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ogf.or...
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Hi JP, Okay, I sent you an invitation link that I see that you followed to use the GitBook tool set. Note that team membership is managed separately from GitHub, so you will separately have to invite people into the GitBook DFDL team to participate in using these tools. I have linked the DFDL GitBook space to the https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE repository, so that any content you author (for example, by importing a Word or Google document or by working directly in GitBook through its Markdown, for example) will be synchronized with the OGF-GLUE GitHub repository. These things can be adjusted as needed, of course. You (JP) can manage invitations to the teams as needed. Please be careful with the GitBook invitations as there are different links you can copy and send for Reader, Writer, and Admin access to the GitBook space. The differences are basically that GitBook greatly improves the user experience for writing and maintaining documents, including importing from Microsoft Word or Google document formats, editing, reviewing, etc, and has an interface designed for user (reader) navigation as well as the tools designed more for editing. If you have a document, you can try importing it and see how the integration with GitHub works. Let me know if you’d like to work together by phone or some video method of communication on this. I have some time tomorrow (Thursday). Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov<mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov>> wrote: Hi Alan, Please send me an invitation to setup the GLUE WG team on gitbook.com<http://gitbook.com/>. Will I be able to invite or add other GLUE WG folks, or do we need to identify all the GLUE WG contributors? Are there specific current best practices in the online community that we should pay special attention to? Thanks, JP On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Sill, Alan <alan.sill@ttu.edu<mailto:alan.sill@ttu.edu>> wrote: We have been able to arrange permanent free access to the GitBook tool (https://gitbook.com<https://gitbook.com/>) used by many European projects for OGF use as a non-profit organization. This tool provides many features to enable conversion of documents from various source formats (e.g., Microsoft Word) to Markdown and/or rich text format and maintenance of these documents in a repository-friendly way (e.g., on GitHub). We think this will be a viable way of producing and maintaining documents that does not tie us unduly to GitBook but will allow the option of a rich feature set. Details are at https://docs.gitbook.com<https://docs.gitbook.com/> and I can send you an invitation to set up a team that you can then tie to the preferred OGF-GLUE repository through their GitHub integration. In general we are trying to migrate to have OGF document production practices more in line with current best practices in the online community for ease of maintenance and long-term continuity. We’re open to any other suggestions along these lines, of course. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov<mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov>> wrote: Alan, Could you please elaborate on the “further features” that are under development and any transition or new tools? Are there any guidelines or best practices on how to organize GitHub content consistently between working groups? I want to organize GLUE WG migration to https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE right away so that we leverage any tools you have and not duplicate effort where avoidable. Thanks, JP On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Sill, Alan <alan.sill@ttu.edu<mailto:alan.sill@ttu.edu>> wrote: The OGF GLUE group began to use GitHub before OGF created the official github.com/opengridforum<http://github.com/opengridforum> area. For continuity and ease of finding the official areas, we are encouraging OGF groups to migrate their work to the official OGF community pages areas. Further features of this are under development to transition the old OGF Redmine git repositories and to introduce new tools to make online preparation of documents easier for all groups. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi Alan, I am a bit confused. Can you clarify why there's two github repos now? I see https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... and https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... You mean the latter is the actual official one? I do not remember any longer how we got into the former one. Also the former currently has well-defined teams as long as I can see. But probably they no longer make any sense. How would you keep the two in sync if it makes any sense to do that? Cheers, Florido On 2020-07-31 16:00, Sill, Alan wrote: For long-term maintainability, it might be valuable to move the official GLUE files as well as the document source to the OGF GLUE WG pages https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... We’ll be happy to provide full administrative access to the current group leadership and sere as a focal point for maintaining this area going forward. Alan On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi all, On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote: Hello Florido, Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I’ll try to correct soon. I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment. As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don’t hear from David, I’m willing to help out. Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices” document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations. I can do. Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome. I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fredmine.og... Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date. I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link. Cheers, Florido Regards, JP p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se<mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> <mailto:florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se>> wrote: Hi all I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official. I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges. I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests. My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com... Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low. About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about. I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track. I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry. I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things? https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fredmine.ogf... Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up. Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests. 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On Aug 12, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Sill, Alan <Alan.Sill@ttu.edu<mailto:Alan.Sill@ttu.edu>> wrote: I have linked the DFDL GitBook space to the https://github.com/OpenGridForum/OGF-GLUE That should say I have linked the *GLUE 2.1* GitBook space… (This can be renamed or new spaces and repositories created as needed, of course.)
Hi all,
Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome.
I think having the procedure clarified would also help the GOCDB team in creating the ServiceTypes and the pull requests going forward. For example, it may be useful for the team to include the working group as part of the community review of new ServiceTypes before we add them to GOCDB. Thanks Greg -----Original Message----- From: Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> Sent: Friday, 31 July 2020 09:42 To: Navarro, JP <navarro@mcs.anl.gov> Cc: OGF GLUE Working Group <glue-wg@ogf.org>; Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) <greg.corbett@stfc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [glue-wg] GLUE2 enumerations Hi all, On 2020-07-30 22:50, Navarro, JP wrote:
Hello Florido,
Reviewing our last GLUE2 WG meeting on November 12, 2019 I see that we have not made visible progress on GLUE 2.1 action items. That is in part my fault which I'll try to correct soon.
I think some of the enumerations introduced with GLUE2.1 are not part of the list on github. Actually the github repo itself is far from complete. But I guess due to the best effort basis of this work we stick to the enumerations that are most important, I guess ServiceType_t at the moment.
As for the languishing Enumerations pull requests, since this GLUE effort is purely volunteer, others can volunteer to review the pull requests and merge them. If nobody volunteers, and we don't hear from David, I'm willing to help out.
Would you be willing to review and accept the changes to your "OGF GLUE2 Enumerations procedures and best practices" document so that we can post it and make it official after a brief comment period? With that document in hand it will be easier for myself or others to help maintain the list of Enumerations.
I can do. Once the procedure is clear I have no problem accepting pull requests and doing the merges from time to time. Of course others are warmly welcome. I also noticed a copy of the document is here in wiki format: https://redmine.ogf.org/projects/glue-wg/wiki/Enumerations_procedures_and_be... Which is referenced in the GLUE2.1 specification so it must be kept up to date. I guess the best is to keep that page and eventually change the version in the page but not the link. Cheers, Florido
Regards,
JP
p.s. as you can see, we/XSEDE still want to engage and contribute to the GLUE WG
On Jul 30, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi all
I haven't been following the progress in this group for quite a while, as a matter of fact I do not even know if this channel is still official.
I've been asked by Greg from UKRI STFC in UK (in CC) about the status of the Open Enumerations registry at
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations
I recall David Meredith was taking care of merging pull requests but I do not see any updated procedure anywhere and I think he is no longer actively doing the merges.
I wonder how we should go about it. Right now most of my research group is on vacation and I do not know how much NorduGRID/ARC is interested in being part of this. If Greg and UKRI STFC are interested in maintaining the registry I will gladly give them rights to approve merge requests.
My only complaint after a quick look at the current pull requests
https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/Enumerations/pulls
Is that some of the new strings are not all lowercase. I would prefer they are all lowercase at least, to be consistent with the rest of GLUE2. But I do not know what happened in GLUE2.1 and how much you kept consistency. I must sadly say I lost interest long ago in the group activities mainly for the lack of consistency in some that I believe were critical decisions so my enthusiasm about the subject is low.
About the pending merge requests, I think the namespaces in the pull requests are all well formed, one should check case by case how much they conform to the expected values and how good the descriptions are, I remember we had different opinions about these details as well but I forgot what it was about.
I have the feeling the word ServiceType is overused as there is some confusion about what is a GLUE2 ServiceType and what is a GOCDB servicetype, but as said I've been far from this and lost track.
I'd say from my side as long as it doesn't affect ARC/NorduGRID negatively I don't really care about which strings end up in this registry.
I think the main point is, was there ever consensus on this document which defines formats and other similar things?
http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13224?download=
Clearly not since the document suggest scheduled venues for the merges that clearly never happened. Sad. But partly also my bad for not following up.
Would be nice to update such document and the information on github with the actual procedure including pull requests.
Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus A, Rum A403 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
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participants (6)
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Corbett, Greg (STFC,RAL,SC) -
Florido Paganelli -
Greg Corbett - UKRI STFC
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Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) -
Navarro, JP -
Sill, Alan