Dear Etienne,

-- Even after 20 minutes waiting, the only participants were Michael SARAVO -- and myself.

Well, I never agreed to this particular time slot nor confirmed my participation in this telcon where key folks already informed that they also not present. In next events this should be clarified and ensured that we are all there to make progress. Apart from this, you, me, and Michael discussed all relevant work already as part of PGI and from my perspective we agree to our major concepts/requirements (e.g. manual data-staging, etc.), but important is now that JSDL/BES chairs are represented to get specification work forward, including decisions!

-- WHO is able to devote HOW MUCH TIME to real technical work, in -- particular to the review of input material ?

I personally understand your frustration and we need to explore how we can change the situation in the next months/years across our groups. Perhaps as a first step, I'm able to state that EMI is in the process of re-structuring itself and as part of this process EMI members, including me, can devote much more time to real specification work as before. Although pending EMI structural agreements, I would assume that more time is available for our standardization process starting next month onwards. More at OGF next week. Take care, Morris

-- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- -- Von: Etienne URBAH [mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr] -- Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2011 18:26 -- An: philipp.wieder@tu-dortmund.de; steven.newhouse@egi.eu; Riedel, Morris; Andrew GRIMSHAW -- Cc: jsdl-wg@ogf.org; ogsa-bes-wg@ogf.org; pgi-wg@ogf.org; glue-wg@ogf.org -- Betreff: Re: OGF33 Lyon - BES/JSDL/GLUE/PGI session on Wednesday 21 September 2011 -- -- Philipp, Steven, Morris, Andrew and all, -- -- Concerning the BES/JSDL/GLUE/PGI session at OGF33 in Lyon on Wednesday -- 21 September 2011 : -- -- -- Teleconference named 'OGF preparation of PGI / BES / JSDL' -- ---------------------------------------------------------- -- This teleconference was proposed by Philipp WIEDER for Wednesday 14 -- September 2011 at 16h CEST (14h UTC), and I only performed the booking -- at EVO. -- -- Even after 20 minutes waiting, the only participants were Michael SARAVO -- and myself. -- -- Michael said that he will ask Andrew GRIMSHAW to move the JSDL session -- from Monday 19 to Tuesday 20. -- -- After that, I closed the teleconference. -- -- -- Agenda of the BES/JSDL/GLUE/PGI session at OGF33 -- ------------------------------------------------ -- As input material, I propose : -- -- - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15990 PGI Useful Official and De -- facto Standards -- -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.181.pdf OGF PGI Glossary of -- Acronyms and Terms -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.180.pdf OGF PGI Use Case Collection -- -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.180.pdf GLUE Specification 2.0 -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.182.pdf The VOMS Attribute -- Certificate Format -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.98.pdf Usage Record Format -- -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.136.pdf JSDL 1.0 -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.135.pdf HPC File Staging Profile 1.0 -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.115.pdf JSDL SPMD Application -- Extension 1.0 -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.111.pdf JSDL HPC Profile -- Application Extension 1.0 -- -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.108.pdf OGSA-BES 1.0 -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.114.pdf HPC Basic Profile 1.0 -- - http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.151.pdf HPCBP Advanced Filter Extension -- -- - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc16306 Requirements for an -- improved BES -- - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc16186 GLUE 2 Attributes for Use -- in JSDL -- -- -- Taking into account my experience at OGF, I consider that the main issue -- is : -- -- WHO is able to devote HOW MUCH TIME to real technical work, in -- particular to the review of input material ? -- -- Lot of thanks in advance to any volunteer. -- -- -- Best regards. -- -- ----------------------------------------------------- -- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS -- Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France -- Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah -- Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -- ----------------------------------------------------- -- -- -- On Wed, 14/09/2011 16:08, Etienne URBAH wrote: -- > On Tue, 13/09/2011 21:26, Etienne URBAH wrote: -- >> Philipp, Steven, Morris, Andrew and all, -- >> -- >> Concerning the EVO teleconference named 'OGF preparation of PGI / BES / -- >> JSDL' on Wednesday 14 September 2011 at 16h CEST (14h UTC) : -- >> -- >> - I remind everyone that it will be held this Wednesday at -- >> http://evo.caltech.edu/evoBeta/koala.jnlp?meeting=MsMiMI282BDMDe9l92Dt9s -- >> with password !!jsdlftw -- > THAT IS IMMEDIATELY. -- > -- >> -- >> - The scope of the agenda is NOT limited to JSDL, but really encompasses -- >> BES / JSDL / GLUE / PGI. -- >> -- >> - Even if I have technical knowledge on all these subjects, I am NOT -- >> highly talented as group leader, and I would greatly prefer that the -- >> conference leader is a chair of one of the above OGF working groups. -- >> In particular, if one of them participates, I would suggest Steven -- >> NEWHOUSE, Morris RIEDEL or Andrew GRIMSHAW. -- >> -- >> - I am quite slow at taking notes, and I would be able to perform this -- >> task only if I am NOT the conference leader. -- >> Anyway, can anyone volunteer taking notes ? -- >> -- >> - As input material, I suggest to read 'Requirements for an improved -- >> Basic Execution Service (BES)' at -- >> http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc16306 -- >> -- >> Best regards. -- >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------- -- >> Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS -- >> Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France -- >> Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah -- >> Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -- >> ----------------------------------------------------- -- >> -- >> -- >> On Tue, 13/09/2011 20:29, philipp.wieder@tu-dortmund.de wrote: -- >>> Dear Etienne, -- >>> -- >>> thank you very much for setting this up. -- >>> -- >>> The agenda for tomorrow is brief: -- >>> - Assess status of input material for the whole day BES/JSDL/GLUE/PGI -- >>> session in Lyon (some material is already here [1]) -- >>> - Define tentative agenda for the respective session including -- >>> + Objectives -- >>> + Actions -- >>> + Responsibilities -- >>> + Roadmap -- >>> - Check availability for Lyon -- >>> - AOB -- >>> -- >>> Since I am traveling tomorrow I may not be able to join (I will try -- >>> via a -- >>> mobile connection). Etienne, is it possible for you to lead the -- >>> conference -- >>> in this case and take minutes? -- >>> -- >>> Best regards, Philipp. -- >>> -- >>> -- >>> [1] -- >>> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.jsdl-wg/doc -- >>> -- >>> -- >>> man.root.background_docs.2011 -- >>> -- >>> Am 12.09.11 18:33 schrieb "Etienne URBAH" unter<urbah@lal.in2p3.fr>: -- >>> -- >>>> Philipp and all, -- >>>> -- >>>> Concerning the preparation of the PGI / BES / JSDL sessions at OGF -- >>>> 33 in -- >>>> Lyon next week : -- >>>> -- >>>> I booked an EVO teleconference named 'OGF preparation of PGI / BES / -- >>>> JSDL' for Wednesday 14 September 2011 at 16h CEST (14h UTC). -- >>>> -- >>>> BEWARE that EVO 2.8 fails on MS-Windows XP SP3 with Firefox 6.0.2 and -- >>>> Oracle Java 1.7.0, so that you may have to use EVO beta at -- >>>> http://evo.caltech.edu/evoBeta/ which I tested successfully. -- >>>> -- >>>> Access to the EVO teleconference will be provided at -- >>>> http://evo.caltech.edu/evoBeta/koala.jnlp?meeting=MsMiMI282BDMDe9l92Dt9s -- >>>> -- >>>> with password !!jsdlftw -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks in advance to Philipp for providing the agenda. -- >>>> -- >>>> Best regards. -- >>>> -- >>>> ----------------------------------------------------- -- >>>> Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS -- >>>> Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France -- >>>> Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah -- >>>> Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -- >>>> ----------------------------------------------------- -- >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> -------- Original Message -------- -- >>>> Subject: EVO Booking : OGF preparation of PGI / BES / JSDL from Wed, 14 -- >>>> Sep 11 16:00 +0200 (CEST) -- >>>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 11 17:58:20 +0200 -- >>>> From: evosupport@vrvs.org -- >>>> To: urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -- >>>> -- >>>> Hello Etienne URBAH, -- >>>> You have BOOKED a meeting in EVO (http://evo.caltech.edu). -- >>>> -- >>>> Title: OGF preparation of PGI / BES / JSDL -- >>>> Description: Preparation of the PGI / BES / JSDL sessions at OGF 33 in -- >>>> Lyon next week -- >>>> Community: Universe -- >>>> Password: !!jsdlftw -- >>>> -- >>>> Meeting Access Information: -- >>>> - Meeting URL -- >>>> http://evo.caltech.edu/evoBeta/koala.jnlp?meeting=MsMiMI282BDMDe9l92Dt9s -- >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> - Password: !!jsdlftw -- >>>> - Phone Bridge -- >>>> ID: 399 7332 -- >>>> Password: 0162 -- >>>> -- >>>> Central European Summer Time (+0200) -- >>>> Start 2011-09-14 16:00 -- >>>> End 2011-09-14 18:00 -- >>>> -- >>>> Japan Standard Time (+0900) -- >>>> Start 2011-09-14 23:00 -- >>>> End 2011-09-15 01:00 -- >>>> -- >>>> Eastern Daylight Time (-0400) -- >>>> Start 2011-09-14 10:00 -- >>>> End 2011-09-14 12:00 -- >>>> -- >>>> Pacific Daylight Time (-0700) -- >>>> Start 2011-09-14 07:00 -- >>>> End 2011-09-14 09:00 -- >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> EVO Phone Bridge Telephone Numbers: -- >>>> --------------- -- >>>> - USA (Caltech, Pasadena, CA) -- >>>> +1 626 395 2112 -- >>>> -- >>>> - Switzerland (CERN, Geneva) -- >>>> +41 22 76 71400 -- >>>> -- >>>> - Slovakia (UPJS, Kosice) -- >>>> +421 55 234 2420 -- >>>> -- >>>> - Italy (INFN, several cities) -- >>>> http://server10.infn.it/video/index.php?page=telephone_numbers -- >>>> Enter '4000' to access the EVO bridge -- >>>> -- >>>> - Germany (DESY, Hamburg) -- >>>> +49 40 8998 1340 -- >>>> -- >>>> - USA (BNL, Upton, NY) -- >>>> +1 631 344 6100 -- >>>> -- >>>> - United Kingdom (University of Manchester) -- >>>> +44 161 306 6802 -- >>>> -- >>>> - Australia (ARCS) -- >>>> +61 -- >>>> Adelaide 08 8463 1011 -- >>>> Brisbane 07 3139 0705 -- >>>> Canberra 02 6112 8742 -- >>>> Hobart 03 623 70281 -- >>>> Melbourne 03 8685 8362 -- >>>> Perth 08 6461 6718 -- >>>> Sydney 02 8212 4591 -- >>>> -- >>>> - Netherlands (Nikhef, Amsterdam) -- >>>> +31 20 7165293 -- >>>> Dial '2' at the prompt -- >>>> -- >>>> - Canada (TRIUMF, Vancouver) -- >>>> +1 604 222 7700 -- >>>> -- >>>> - Czech Republic (CESNET, Prague) -- >>>> +420 95 007 2386 -- >>>> -- >>>> - USA (MIT, Cambridge, MA) -- >>>> +1 617 715 4691 -- >>>> -- >>>> - France (RAP, Paris) -- >>>> +33 144 27 81 50 -- >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> - Skype (tm) (World-wide) -- >>>> evo.phone -- >>>> See: -- >>>> http://evo.caltech.edu/evoGate/Documentation/extclient/skype/skype.html -- >>>> -- >>> -- >> -- >