Dear all, The best way to destroy Glue, is to use poorly defined objects, and untested entities relations, that are proprietary to a single or small and legacy subset of Grids, particularly with untested ideas. This will invalidate the purpose of taking your Grid specific views to the OGF. Can I please request that members of Glue trail their ideas on their own grids. I fear some members are unwilling to separate the context of their grids from the greater grid community. Examples include, binding a minority standard (SRM 2.2 and only its static spaces) into the Glue schema when numerous other examples exist such as GPFS, and NFS v4. Binding a minority authentication mechanism (VOMS) when SAML and numerous other standards are more commonly used. This may be forgivable if the people involved had tested these representations, I know from the threads on the mailing list that these ideas are new. I wish to complement Laurence on trying to stop the destruction of his work on the Glue standard, but this continued tight coupling to minority Grid services (VOMS/SRM 2.2) will lead to a legacy standard that all future grids should abandon in favour of something workable for them, if you have not even tested your ideas you should not be proposing them as a standard, that's your Grid's research work and not for OGF, which is for consolidating the Engineering objectives of interoperability. Please consider rolling out these suggestions on your own information systems AND get them WORKING before adding them to a inter grid standard. Regards Owen Synge I do not represent Dcache or DESY in my above objections, just my education as an engineer. Engineering is often about rejecting use cases so more important objectives can be achieved.