# of authors, OGF recommendations <> FW: [OGSA-BES-WG] New document

7 Feb 2007

      Hi all,

Peter has raised this question two meetings ago ...

Hrabri

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On Behalf Of Stephen M Pickles
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:01 PM
To: Andreas Savva; mark@mark-morgan.org
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Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] New document

All,

Greg Newby, the OGF editor, has given me advice on this.

OGF policy is not particularly prescriptive.
The revised GFD #1 (still in draft) will specify three
as a good number for authors, and five as a reasonable
(but not hard) maximum, and will advise that the
Contributor section be used for others.

Greg also takes the view (and the GFSG supports this) that
anyone listed as an author must individually be willing
to take full responsibility for the document, now and
forever.  This will go into the revised GFD #1, too.
It's the important part, in Greg's view.

OGF is silent on the ordering of authors.

Hope this helps,

Stephen
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[mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Andreas Savva
Sent: 05 February 2007 06:10
To: mark@mark-morgan.org
Cc: Greg Newby; 'Mail list for ogsa-bes-wg working group'
Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] New document
Mark,
Being guilty of being the primary author/editor of a number 
of documents
where more than 3 people appear on the Editors/Authors list, let me
emphasize Hiro's comment that this is a recommendation/request. It is
always difficult to remove people's names from the front page 
once they
make it there.
In brief, if you can find a way to trim down the list fine, but don't
let this stop you from going to public comment.
...
From observation here is what I would recommend. About ordering,
alphabetize. If you are making a distinction between authors/editors,
you could choose to put the editors first on the list. (So Editors are
alphabetized, and the rest are alphabetized.) If people agree that
someone has done a lot more work than anyone else (so he is 
the primary
editor or author) then it is also ok to put them first and then
alphabetize the rest.
If you find that you really really want to put more than one person
out-of-order then I think you have successfully split the 
long list into
the names that should be on the front and the ones that 
should be put in
the Contributors section.
Just my 2c.
Andreas
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Hi Mark and Ian,
...
If there are official rules governing this type
of thing, then those rules should be applied.
The following is the GFSG's recommendation and is described in the
latest OGF document template in chapter 4. There is no hard limit
up to 5, but soft limit up to 3 instead.
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc8278
...
The actual Authors (or Editors) listed on the title page are those
committed to taking permanent stewardship for this document -
receiving communication in the future and otherwise being 
responsive
to its content.  The GFSG recommends at most three 
Author/Editors be
listed on the title page, unless there are compelling 
reasons to list
more.
I don't know there is any ordering recommendation by OGF 
Editor or GFSG.
Thanks,
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Hiro Kishimoto
Mark Morgan wrote:
...
Members of BES,
I apologize for acting hastely on this issue.  As Ian
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
pointed out, he was
...
...
merely querying as to the order of the author lists.  I 
can honestly say
that, as for my part, names on the author list were 
ordered randomly.  I
merely took the list as it was and inserted names either 
at the end, or as
the mouse happened to land.  If there are official rules 
governing this type
of thing, then those rules should be applied.  I think it 
would be best if
someone else took the pen to the document on this one as I 
am not sure which
5 people the list should be paired down to (which I 
understand from Ian is
the author limit suggested by IETF).  If my name ends up 
on the list, then I
graciously accept the honor, but I neither require nor expect that.
-Mark
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[mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Ian Foster
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Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] New document
Mark
I asked you what criteria were applied to selecting and 
ordering authors, and mentioned that at least for ietf rfcs 
only 5 authors are allowed--not sure if this applies in ogf.
While I think alphabetical is often easy, I certainly don't 
want to be first author. I also don't want my name on the 
list if yours isn't--that would be quite inappropriate.
Ian
Mark Morgan wrote:
...
Apparently I greatly offended Mr. Ian Foster who felt that his 
position on the author list didn't represent either his 
effort, or the 
IETF rules (which until today I didn't know).  I have 
uploaded a new 
document which alphabatizes the names and have removed 
myself from the 
author list.  Please see document version 31, now located 
in gridforge.
-Mark
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