Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group OGF DFDL Working Group Call, November-18-2009 Attendees Suman Kalia (IBM) Steve Hanson (IBM) Mike Beckerle (Oco) Alan Powell (IBM) Steve Marting (Progeny) Stephanie Fetzer (IBM) Tim Kimber(IBM) Apologies Peter Lambros (IBM) 1.051 Scoping Rules Reviewed of draft 8. Comments made by Suman and Stephanie will be incorporated. Action Closed 2.061 Refactor dfdl:textNumberFormat to remove dfdl:numberBase. Reviewed updated spec fragment and approved. Action Closed 3.059: External specification of encoding, byte order This was largely agreed on last week's call but additional discussion about whether additional properties should have predefined variables. Agreed to add dfdl:binaryFloatRepresentation and dfdl:OutputNewLine. Action closed 4.045 Resolving points of uncertainty - Disciminators Continue discussion of semantics of discriminators and arrays Stephanie took us through Mike's example implemented in WTX and number of points emerged. WTX discriminators (component rules) only resolve an immediate parent. If one instance on an array is found then the array is said to be found even if minOccurs are not found. An explicit discriminator would be needed to enforce minOccurs. There was also a discussion of the forward referencing permitted which is only to children. SF agreed to get documentation about WTX discrimination. 5.045 Resolving points of uncertainty - parsing rules Tim and Alan had sent emails about the rules for scanning or skipping of text fields during parsing. Tim pointed out there there was not way to force skipping of text fields and it was agreed that this was an omission. Tim suggested that lengthKind should be used to specify whether to scan or skip and that dfdl:length shuold be examined when lengthKind=delimited to decide if it is a fixed/known length delimited field. There was not agreement and we ran out of time. To be continued. Action 65 raised 8.OGF28 Call for papers Mike and/or Steve will make a request to a WG presentation Meeting closed, 15:10 Next call 25 November 13:00 UK Next action: 066 Actions raised at this meeting No Action 064 MB/SH Request WG presentation at OGF 28 065 Resolve parsing rules for various lengthKinds Current Actions: No Action 012 AP/SH: Update decimalCalendarScheme 10/9: Not allocated yet 17/9: No update 24/9: Add calendar binary formats to actions 22/10: No progress 16/1: proposal distributed and discussed. Will be redistributed 21/1: add locale, 04/02: changed from locale to specific properties 18/2: Need more investigation of ICU strict/lax behaviour. 08/04: Not discussed 22/04: AP to complete asap once the ICU strict/lax behaviour is understood. 29/04: No progress 06/05: No progress 13/05: Calendar has been added to latest spec version v034 but still a few details to clarify. 20/05: No Progress ... 09/06: No Progress (low priority) 17/06: SH to check ICU code for lax calendar behaviour 24/06: no progress ... 12/08: no progress 19/08: Inconsistencies are being found in ICU behaviour so Calendars need reviewing again. 26/08: Specific three character short time zones may not be maintained during round tripping when there is more than one short form for a time zone offset. Because dates and datetimes in the infoset only maintain a time zone offset so on unparsing it isn't possible to say which short form will be selected for a particular offset when there is more than one possible. Need to document. 09/09: no progress ... 14/10: no progress 21/10: Will produce a list of known issues. 28/10: Discussed ICU farctional seconds behaviour. SF to send latest understanding. 04/11: no progress 11/11: no update 18/11: no update 037 All: Approach for XML Schema 1.0 UPA checks. 22/04: Several non-XML models, when expressed in their most obvious DFDL Schema form, would fail XML Schema 1.0 Unique Particle Attribution checks that police model ambiguity. And even re-jigging the model sometimes fails to fix this. Note this is equally applicable to XMl Schema 1.1 and 1.0. While the DFDL parser/unparser can happily resolve the ambiguities, the issue is one of definition. If an XSD editor that implements UPA checks is used to create DFDL Schema, then errors will be flagged. DFDL may have to adopt the position that: a)DFDL parser/unparser will not implement some/all UPA checks (exact checks tbd) b) XML Schema editors that implement UPA checks will not be suitable for all DFDL models c) If DFDL annotations are removed, the resulting pure XSD will not always be valid (ie, the equivalent XML is ambiguous and can't be modelled by XML Schema 1.0) Ongoing in case another solution can be found. 29/04: Will ask DG and S Gao for opinion before closing 06/05: Discussed S Gao email and suggestions. Decided need to review all XML UPA rules and decide which apply to dfdl. 20/05: SH or SKK to investigate 27/05: No Progress 03/06: The concern is that some dfdl schemas will fail UPA check when validation is turned on or when editted using tooling that enforces UPA checks. Renaming fields will resolve some/most issues. Need documentation that describes issue and best practice. 17/06: no change 24/06: no change 01/07: no progress ... 12/08: No Progress (lower priority) 19/08: Clarify that this action is to go through the XML UPA checks to assess impact on dfdl schemas and advice best practice. Name clashes is just one example. SH or SKK 26/08: No Progress (lower priority) 09/09: no progress ... 04/11: no progress 11/11: Steve has started to look at this. He has requested a 'consumable' definition of the UPA rules from the XSD WG members. Even non-normative Appendix H in the XSD 1.0 spec is hard to consume. 18/11: no update 045 20/05 AP: Speculative Parsing 27/05: Psuedo code has been circulated. Review for next call 03/06: Comments received and will be incorporated 09/06: Progress but not discussed 17/06: Discussed briefly 24/06: No Progress 01/07: No Progress 15/07: No progress. MB not happy with the way the algorithm is documented, need to find a better way. 29/07: No Progress 05/08: No Progress. Will document behaviour as a set of rules. 12/08: No Progress ... 16/09: no progress 30/09: AP distributed proposal and others commented. Brief discussion AP to incorporate update and reissue 07/10: Updated proposal was discussed.Comments will be incorporated into the next version. 14/10: Alan to update proposal to include array scenario where minOccurs > 0 21/10: Updated proposal reviewed 28/10: Updated proposal reviewed see minutes 04/11: Discussed semantics of disciminators on arrays. MB to produce examples 11/11: Absorbing action 033 into 045. Maybe decorated discrminator kinds are needed after all. MB and SF to continue with examples. 18/11: Went through WTX implementation of example. SF to gather more documentation about WTX discriminator rules. 049 20/05 AP Built-in specification description and schemas 03/06: not discussed 24/06: No Progress 24/06: No Progress (hope to get these from test cases) 15/07: No progress. Once available, the examples in the spec should use the dfdl:defineFormat annotations they provide. ... 14/10: no progress 21/10: Discussed the real need for this being in the specification. It seemed that the main value is it define a schema location for downloading 'known' defaults from the web. 28/10: no progress 04/11: no progress 11/11: no update 18/11: no update 056 MB Resolve lengthUnits=bits including fillbytes 12/08: No Progress ... 28/10: no progress 04/11: MB to look at lengthUnits = bits 11/11: no update 18/11: no update 059 9/9: SH Define how encoding, byteorder and floating point format externally 16/09: no progress 07/10: no progress 14/10: no progress 21/10: SH to investigate 28/10: no progress 04/11: no progress 11/11: SH proposal accepted. One open issue - what is the full list of built-in variables? 18/11: added dfdl:binaryFloatRepresentation and dfdl:OutputNewLine. Action Closed 061 AP Refactor dfdl:textNumberFormat to remove dfdl:numberBase. 14/10: Base 2, 8, 16 numbers are invariably integers without formatting, use of pattern etc is overkill 21/10: no progress 28/10: no progress 04/11: no progress 11/11: Reviewed AP proposal, some comments to incorporate. 18/11: Approved latest draft subject to minor comments from SF and SKK. Closed 063 Write DFDL primer and test cases. 11/11: no update 064 MB/SH Request WG presentation at OGF 28 065 Resolve parsing rules for various lengthKinds Closed actions No Action 051 Scoping rules. MB: to document change to scoping rules to satisfy implementation concerns 17/06: MB and SH proposals discussed. Needs further discussion 24/06: AP to update presentation with latest proosal 24/06: AP had updated presentation. MB to review 08/07: Discussed at length. Simple types will now take annotations. Variables will be used for parameters. 15/07: No further progress. Needs final write up. 29/07: No Progress 05/08: No Progress 12/08: No Progress 19/08: AP will document new syntax rules. 26/08: No Progress 09/09: AP has documented new scoping rules. Not discussed 16/09: Not disussed. AP to update element reference examples 30/09: Significant dissatisfaction with proposed new rules. New proposal developed during call. AP to document. 07/10: New proposal was refined. Details in minutes. 14/10: Discussed at length. Details in minutes. 21/10: Discussed at length. Details in minutes. 04/11: defineFormat can only contain one active format block, Drop baseFormat, SKK to produce examples for selectors. 04/11: Further discussion see minutes. SKK to produce examples of selectors. 11/11: Closed. No open questions. Incorporate into spec via work item 051. 18/11: Approved draft 8 059 9/9: SH Define how encoding, byteorder and floating point format externally 16/09: no progress 07/10: no progress 14/10: no progress 21/10: SH to investigate 28/10: no progress 04/11: no progress 11/11: SH proposal accepted. One open issue - what is the full list of built-in variables? 18/11: added dfdl:binaryFloatRepresentation and dfdl:OutputNewLine. Action Closed - work item 064 061 AP Refactor dfdl:textNumberFormat to remove dfdl:numberBase. 14/10: Base 2, 8, 16 numbers are invariably integers without formatting, use of pattern etc is overkill 21/10: no progress 28/10: no progress 04/11: no progress 11/11: Reviewed AP proposal, some comments to incorporate. 18/11: Approved latest draft subject to minor comments from SF and SKK. Closed - workitem 065 Work items: No Item target version status 005 Improvements on property descriptions not started 011 How speculative parsing works (combining choice and variable-occurence - currently these are separate) (from action 045) awaiting completion of actions 045 012 Reordering the properties discussion: move representation earlier, improve flow of topics not started 033 Numeric data - what physical reps are allowed for what logical types (from action 020) 037 ensure all behaviour documented 036 Update dfdl schema with change properties ongoing 038 Improve length section including bit handling some improvement in 036 042 Mapping of the DFDL infoset to XDM none not required for V1 specification 051 Revised scoping rules (from action 051) 037 058 textPadCharacter %#rxx limitation and split to textxxxxPadCharacter 037 059 limit terminatorCanBeMissing to last element in schema. Ignore elsewhere. 037 060 New empty string semantic for dfdl:binaryBooleanTrueRep 037 061 Change maxOccurs violations from processing error to validation error (if not 'fixed') 037 062 Drop calendarUseZForUTC. describe zU, IU and TU symbols 037 063 DefineFormat can contain only one active format. Drop baseFormat 037 064 Define how encoding, byteorder and floating point format externally 037 065 Refactor dfdl:textNumberFormat to remove dfdl:numberBase. 037 066 document scope of selectors 037 Alan Powell MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley, Winchester, SO21 2JN, England Notes Id: Alan Powell/UK/IBM email: alan_powell@uk.ibm.com Tel: +44 (0)1962 815073 Fax: +44 (0)1962 816898 Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU