The proposal is looking good. I started to make some comments, then had a discussion with Tim who came up with an interesting suggestion which simplifies things somewhat. My comments a) We should also check for BOM when encoding is UTF6/32-LE/BE when parsing and give a processing error if one is found (this is stated by the Unicode standard). b) "The UnicodeSignature field is optional. It is only of non-zero size when the encoding is exactly one of UTF-8, UTF-16, or UTF-32, and the following Element begins with textual data (meaning it is of type string, or any other type with representation=”text”, or when complex, its first child is always textual data inductively)." We have to very careful with these words. It does not make sense to say "when the encoding is xxx" outside of the context of a DFDL schema object, and also encoding applies to delimiters and not just representation. I think the sentence needs to be simplified to: "The UnicodeSignature field is optional. It is only of non-zero size when the dfdl:encoding property of the root element is specified, and is exactly one of UTF-8, UTF-16, or UTF-32" This also allows the modeller to be flexible, for example, he can model the first section of a Unicode document as a BLOB if he wants to view the content as-is, while correctly parsing subsequent sections. c) "exactly one of UTF-8, UTF-16, or UTF-32" . We must also allow the CCSID equivalents so that's 1200, 1208, and ??? d) "If dfdl:byteOrder is not defined, then bigEndian is assumed throughout the document. ". A BOM trumps byteOrder and makes the encoding effectively UTF16/32-LE/BE throughout document - fine. If no BOM then we use byteOrder - but note that this is on a per object basis. I therefore don't think that absence of byteOrder means bigEndian throughout document, it must be handled on a per object basis. Tim's suggestion I am actually uncomfortable with absence of byteOrder defaulting to big-endian. I know it's what the Unicode standard says, but properties magically defaulting is something DFDL tries to avoid. I discussed this point with Tim, and he suggested that for UTF16/32 we never look at byteOrder property. This implies the following: - If there is no BOM then UTF16/32-BE is used as per standard. - To model embedded UTF16/32 littleEndian strings you must explicitly set UTF16/32-LE on those objects - To model an entire BOM-less UTF16/32 littleEndian document you must explicitly set UTF16/32-LE in scope The net is that byteOrder only affects simple elements with binary representation. This is ok when parsing but what about unparsing? We need some way of knowing what byte order to generate. This can be solved by adding a BOM to the Document infoset item, which also fixes Tim's issue with BOM preservation below. In terms of behaviour, the output infoset BOM is symmetric to the input data BOM. It also means we don't need a new property to control BOM on output, that can be inferred if the infoset BOM is set. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB To: "Mike Beckerle" Cc: dfdl-wg@ogf.org, dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org Date: 25/08/2011 09:27 Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] Action 151 - BOM disposal Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org Thanks Mike, I agree with almost all of that. A couple of things remain to be cleared up, though. 1) The term 'Unicode Signature' is understood by a very small percentage of developers and is ( in practice ) interchangeable with 'Byte Order Mark', Although it sounds like a misuse of the term, various documents issued by the Unicode consortium talk about the 'UTF8 BOM'. That being the case, I think DFDL should use the better-known term 'Byte Order Mark' both in the description and the property name. 2) There is no way for a client application to find out what the actual byte order was, which will make it difficult to serialize a parsed infoset while preserving the byte order of the original data stream. regards, Tim Kimber, Common Transformation Team, Hursley, UK Internet: kimbert@uk.ibm.com Tel. 01962-816742 Internal tel. 246742 From: "Mike Beckerle" To: Date: 25/08/2011 01:01 Subject: [DFDL-WG] Action 151 - BOM disposal Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org My stab at BOMs: On our last call, when discussing the BOMs aka Unicode signature, we concluded that the grammar for document changes to Document = UnicodeSignature Element Below is my proposal (based on an earlier proposal by Steve, but modified to be “Unicode signature” oriented instead of “BOM” oriented) The UnicodeSignature field is optional. It is only of non-zero size when the encoding is exactly one of UTF-8, UTF-16, or UTF-32, and the following Element begins with textual data (meaning it is of type string, or any other type with representation=”text”, or when complex, its first child is always textual data inductively). In all other cases the Unicode Signature is assumed to be absent (zero length) when parsing, and it is not generated on unparsing. The UnicodeSignature must contain one of the allowed byte sequences for a UnicodeSignature. If it does, then it is removed and does not contribute to characters parsed or otherwise placed into the infoset. These are the valid byte sequences: Bytes Encoding Form 00 00 FE FF UTF-32, big-endian FF FE 00 00 UTF-32, little-endian FE FF UTF-16, big-endian FF FE UTF-16, little-endian EF BB BF UTF-8 If the byte pattern indicates little endian, then encoding=”UTF-xx” is interpreted throughout the document as if it said “UTF-xxLE”, and similarly UTF-xxBE if the signature indicates big endian. (shorthand xx = 16 or xx = 32) If the byte pattern is the signature for utf-8, and the encoding is utf-8, then the signature is simply removed, and is not placed into the infoset, but as there is no byte order for utf-8, there is nothing else to do. If the bytes are not a Unicode signature, and the dfdl:encoding is utf-16 or utf-32, then the dfdl:byteOrder property is used to determine the byte order. If dfdl:byteOrder is not defined, then bigEndian is assumed throughout the document. We need a property to determine whether we generate a Unicode signature or not. Suggest documentOutputUnicodeSignature=yes/no as the property, and this property is only interpreted when the encoding is utf-8, utf-16, or utf-32, and the document element begins with textual data (defined as above). In the output case, for utf-16 and utf-32, something has to decide what endianness to use, so the dfdl:byteOrder property is used to determine the output encoding to be used. If dfdl:byteOrder is not defined, then bigEndian is used. …mikeb From: Steve Hanson [mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:04 AM To: Mike Beckerle Cc: 'Stephanie Fetzer'; Tim Kimber Subject: RE: Fw: BOM disposal We have documentFinalTerminatorCanBeMissing so that modellers don't have the headache of explicitly modeling an 'optional' <CR><LF> at the end of a document. I don't see why we shouldn't assist Unicode modellers in a similar way. But only at document level. UTF-16/32. I think when U+FEFF is encountered at any place other than the start of a DFDL described document, then it should be interpreted as ZWNBS. This is in keeping with the intent of the Unicode standard (as quoted by you in the other e-mail you forwarded). UTF-8. I can go either way on this. Although not strictly a byte order control, it is something that may or may not appear at the start of a UTF-8 document and I can see Tim's argument for handling it seamlessly. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: "Mike Beckerle" To: Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB, Steve Hanson/UK/IBM@IBMGB Cc: "'Stephanie Fetzer'" Date: 23/08/2011 03:29 Subject: RE: Fw: BOM disposal Ok, so that’s interesting. So we’re down to the issue of whether in a fixed-length string context, does a BOM count as one of the fixed length of characters, or not. IMHO, I think BOM/ZWNBS should just be treated as another codepoint to us, and we shouldn’t be removing them, or treating them as “non-characters”. As to whether to generate them, I think we should not. That is to say, regardless of whether we interpret them to determine the encoding, they should still be codepoints that appear in the infoset, both when parsing, and when unparsing. This means that they interact badly with things like initiators and padding. Hence, they’re very likely to be modeled as separate string elements containing only the BOM. When encoding is UTF-16 or UTF-32, there is the question of whether one must have a BOM for every single string, or whether one must compute the byteOrder property from data, or if there is some “magic sticky behavior” where some prior string can have a BOM, and have this respected by subsequent string elements. I suggest the following definition of “has a BOM to specify the byte order” (1) The element, of type string, begins with the BOM codepoint. This changes the DFDL grammar. The Byte-order-mark field in the grammar would appear before the initiator of the element, and before any pad characters. (2) An enclosing sequence has a nearest (greatest index) prior sibling which recursively “has a BOM to specify the byte order” Inductively, this means the first element of a sequence can have a BOM, and all subsequent elements in that sequence as direct children or within subsequences/choices, and sub-elements generally, will all pick up their byteOrder from that same BOM. It also lets you concatenate two representations, one of which is BOM big-endian, the other BOM little-endian. This does add some overhead. In every case if encoding is utf-16, then for every string, you must check for a BOM. From: Tim Kimber [mailto:KIMBERT@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:32 AM To: Steve Hanson Cc: mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com; Stephanie Fetzer Subject: Re: Fw: BOM disposal I disagree. The term 'Byte Order Mark' is potentially misleading. It does not only indicate byte order - it also indicates the encoding of the stream, A BOM can legally be used at the start of a UTF-8 document, when it is more properly called a 'Unicode Signature'. Some text editors mark all their UTF-8 documents in this way ( including Eclipse on Linux, apparently ). The Unicode standard 6.0 ( http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.0.0/UnicodeStandard-6.0.pdf) says: Unicode Signature. An initial BOM may also serve as an implicit marker to identify a file as containing Unicode text. For UTF-16, the sequence FE16 FF16 (or its byte-reversed counterpart, FF16 FE16) is exceedingly rare at the outset of text files that use other character encodings. The corresponding UTF-8 BOM sequence, EF16 BB16 BF16, is also exceedingly rare. In either case, it is therefore unlikely to be confused with real text data. The same is true for both single-byte and multibyte encodings. Data streams (or files) that begin with the U+FEFF byte order mark are likely to contain Unicode characters. It is recommended that applications sending or receiving untyped data streams of coded characters use this signature. If other signaling methods are used, signatures should not be employed. Conformance to the Unicode Standard does not require the use of the BOM as such a signature. See Section 16.8, Specials, for more information on the byte order mark and its use as an encoding signature. This paragraph could be taken to imply that UTF-8 with a BOM is rare, but that does not appear to be the case in the real world: While there is obviously no need for a byte order signature when using UTF-8, there are occasions when processes convert UTF-16 or UTF-32 data containing a byte order mark into UTF-8. When represented in UTF-8, the byte order mark turns into the byte sequence <EF BB BF>. Its usage at the beginning of a UTF-8 data stream is neither required nor recommended by the Unicode Standard, but its presence does not affect conformance to the UTF-8 encoding scheme. Identification of the <EF BB BF> byte sequence at the beginning of a data stream can, however, be taken as a near-certain indication that the data stream is using the UTF-8 encoding scheme. regards, Tim Kimber, Common Transformation Team, Hursley, UK Internet: kimbert@uk.ibm.com Tel. 01962-816742 Internal tel. 246742 From: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To: mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com Cc: Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB, Stephanie Fetzer/Charlotte/IBM@IBMUS Date: 18/08/2011 09:03 Subject: Fw: BOM disposal Hi Mike I've re-read the BOM and UTF-8 material and I agree with you. Explicit modelling of a ZWNBS character suffices for UTF-8. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 ----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 18/08/2011 08:58 ----- From: Mike Beckerle To: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM@IBMGB Date: 17/08/2011 23:00 Subject: RE: BOM disposal I think it is OK to add BOM control but I think the reference to utf8 and BOMs is wrong. We should never encode a BOM into utf8 and if a zwnbs is encoded in utf8 even as the first codepoint it should not ever be considered to be a BOM and should always go into the infoset. ----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 18/08/2011 08:58 ----- From: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To: "Mike Beckerle" Cc: "'Stephanie Fetzer'" , Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB Date: 17/08/2011 17:57 Subject: RE: BOM disposal Hi Mike I've read below and also the historical e-mail that you forwarded. I am happy that when U+FEFF is encountered at any place other than the start of a DFDL described document, then it is interpreted as ZWNBS. But I am concerned that we are making life harder than it need be for modellers who have to handle Unicode documents that start with a BOM. Take the simple example of wanting to read in a file in one encoding, look at the DFDL infoset in order to make some routing decision, and then send it on in a different encoding. As the spec stands, for all encodings except those with a BOM the modeller can create a single DFDL model that uses external variable $encoding to control the output. But once you make one of the document's encoding Unicode with the possibility of a BOM then the model has to change to accomodate this in a non-trivial way. That's not very usable, and further I don't think it is in the spirit of another paragraph in RFC 2781... All applications that process text with the "UTF-16" charset label MUST be able to read at least the first two octets of the text and be able to process those octets in order to determine the serialization order of the text. Applications that process text with the "UTF-16" charset label MUST NOT assume the serialization without first checking the first two octets to see if they are a big-endian BOM, a little-endian BOM, or not a BOM. All applications that process text with the "UTF-16" charset label MUST be able to interpret both big- endian and little-endian text. Proposal: On parsing: If encoding is set when starting to process the model, and is UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32 (including BE/LE variants) then the DFDL parser looks for a BOM. If a BOM is found at the very start of the document then it is not added to the infoset, and: - UTF-16, UTF-32: The DFDL byteOrder property is ignored for text data of those encodings throughout the rest of the document and the BOM implies the byte order - UTF-8: The BOM is ignored as byte order is not used anyway. - LE/BE variants. Processing error as this contravenes the Unicode standard.. If there is no BOM then byteOrder property behaves as currently stated for UTF-16 and UTF-32. On unparsing: If encoding is set when starting to process the model, and is UTF-8, UTF-16 or UTF-32 (excluding BE/LE variants), then the DFDL unparser optionally outputs a BOM, under the control .of a new document-level property **, documentOutputBOM = yes/no. The BOM that is output depends on the setting of byteOrder. There is one issue with this. I deliberately used the phrase 'if encoding is set when starting to process the model'. We have to define what this means. DFDL encoding applies to all text elements and all objects that have text delimiters. One option is to say that BOM processing only takes place if encoding is actually to be used by the first element in the model. So if I started my data with binary data that did not have an initiator then no BOM processing would take place. Another option is to say that BOM processing only takes place if there is a default dfdl:format in the xsd with encoding set (then you can imagine the BOM as an implicit hidden optional element that gets encoding from scope). ** (We already document level properties - documentFinalTerminatorCanBeMissing). Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: "Mike Beckerle" To: Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB Cc: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM@IBMGB, "'Stephanie Fetzer'" Date: 15/08/2011 21:54 Subject: RE: BOM disposal I stand corrected on the BOM character. This ZWNBS stuff means it *is* a character regardless of the Unicode folks having deprecated it (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_non-breaking_space ) , or their goal of BOMs somehow being non-characters. Though my guess is that it mostly would come up because UTF-16 with BOM was converted to UTF-8, with the BOM at the front converted to the UTF-8 encoding of a BOM. Concatenate some of these, and you’ll have ZWNBS characters embedded in the string. I think there is a flock more cases beyond the ones Tim enumerated having to do with whether you remove the BOM or it takes up space in the string. E.g., if I have fixed length data with properties that say there is an optional BOM, is that data now variable length? I’d rather not go there. If I ask the length in characters of a string, do I count BOMs or not? Either way, the point is that there is good reason to just treat these BOM/ZWNBS as characters, and to just fix the language in the spec about UTF-8 BOMs, which is just fixing a turn of phrase. Stripping these characters out, that’s a calculation an application can easily do. (I could be talked into an XPath function in DFDL to do exactly this.) The 2nd paragraph about BOMs in the spec mentions they can be modeled. I believe the BOM-based behaviors described in Tim’s mail can all be modeled relatively easily as separate elements. They can then compute the value of the byteOrder property with an expression that references the elements. (I am assuming we allow byteOrder to be computed…. ). To be concrete about it: E.g., <sequence> <element name=”bom1” type=”byte” dfdl:representation=’binary’ Dfdl:outputValueCalc=”{0xFE}”/> <element name=”bom2” type=”byte” dfdl:representation=’binary’ Dfdl:outputValueCalc=”{0xFF}”/> </sequence> One could even create a situation where BOM’s are accepted and tolerated: <choice> <…. The above sequence is one arm of the choice …> <element name=”data” type=”string” dfdl:encoding=”utf-16be”/> </choice> This would cause a BOM to be accepted and used if present, and default to bigEndian otherwise. Output would always be bigEndian. With some clever use of variables and type definitions, I suspect this can even be made reasonably compact. These things are clumsy, but the alternative is more properties, and of all the cases Tim enumerated, we’re not even sure we have them all, or if anyone will use them. Some much earlier DFDL draft had a unicodeByteOrderMarkPolicy property,…. I believe it was dropped for lack of clarity on exactly what the use cases needed to be. It was like ‘prohibited’ ‘tolerated’ ‘required’ ‘ignored’ ‘generated’ or some enumeration like that. …mikeb From: Tim Kimber [mailto:KIMBERT@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:32 PM To: mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com Cc: Steve Hanson; Stephanie Fetzer Subject: BOM disposal Key points about BOMs are: - For all Unicode encodings, the "Zero Width Non-breaking Space" character corresponds to the byte sequence of a BOM, but... - a BOM is not considered to be a part of the data My own assumptions about BOMs are: - some input documents will have a BOM by accident, just because the application that wrote it did not explicitly tell the encoder to omit the BOM. - some users will expect a BOM at the start of an input document to be honoured - most users will be surprised if they get a ZWNBSP in the info set. Some may even get a little annoyed if they find that they cannot prevent it, because the Unicode specification is pretty clear that BOMs are not data. I think we need to modify the DFDL rules about handling of BOMs. I don't have all the answers, but I do think the following scenarios are likely to crop up: Parsing: a) there is a BOM at the start of the input document.{1} The user wants the DFDL parser to act as though the dfdl:encoding external variable had been set to the encoding implied by the BOM. b) there is sometimes a BOM at the start of the input document. The character encoding is defined by the schema so the BOM is redundant. The user doesn't care whether it is there or not, and would like DFDL to completely ignore it. c) at some point within the document ( not at the start ) there is a BOM at the beginning of an element. The user wants the BOM to be ignored. d) at some point within the document ( not at the start ) there is a BOM at the beginning of an element. The user wants the encoding of the element to be defined by the BOM e) the user wants a BOM to be treated exactly like an ordinary character ( probably with the aim of ensuring that the document round-trips without losing BOMs ). Serializing f) the user always wants the output document to start with a BOM when the encoding is one of the Unicode encodings g) the user wants an element within the document to start with a BOM that signals its encoding Feel free to come with other scenarios if you think I've missed any. {1} I think I've done quite well to avoid any Monty Python 'Life of Brian' references so far... regards, Tim Kimber, Common Transformation Team, Hursley, UK Internet: kimbert@uk.ibm.com Tel. 01962-816742 Internal tel. 246742 ----- Forwarded by Tim Kimber/UK/IBM on 27/07/2011 20:59 ----- From: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To: mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com Cc: Tim Kimber/UK/IBM@IBMGB Date: 27/07/2011 19:15 Subject: OGF DFDL WG Call Agenda 2011-08-09 Hi Mike I've posted a draft agenda on GridForge below for 9th Aug call. The last of the spec issues you raised concerned section 12.3.7.1.3 about BOMs. I know that Tim is not happy with this either, and has done some thinking in this area. 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