Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group OGF DFDL Working Group Call, 09 March 2011 Attendees Alan Powell (IBM) Steve Hanson (IBM) Bob McGrath (NCSA) Apologies Joe Futrelle (NCSA) Stephanie Fetzer (IBM) Suman Kalia (IBM) 1. Current Actions Updated below 2. AOB OGF are putting proposals to the Google Summer of Code. Bob has been involved in previous year and will talk to Joe to dsee if it would help him. Steve has been asked if he would like to present at the Baliage Conference in Montreal. Discussed whether it could be a joint presentation with NCSA. Bob to talk to Joe Meeting closed, 15:50 Next call Wednesday 16 March 2011 15:00 UK (10:00 ET) Next action: 138 Actions raised at this meeting No Action Current Actions: No Action 066 Investigate format for defining test cases 25/11:IBM to see if it is possible to publish its test case format. 04/12: no update ... 17/02: IBM is willing in principle to publish the test case format and some of the test cases. May need some time to build a 'compliance suite' 24/03: No progress 03/03: Discussions have been taking place on the subset of tests that will be provided. 10/03: work is progressing 17/03: work is progressing 31/03: work is progressing 14/04: And XML test case format has been defined and is being tested. 21/04. Schema for TDML defined. Need to define how this and the test cases will be made public 05/05: Work still progressing 12/05: Work still progressing 02/06: Work still progressing on technical and legal considerations ... 25/08: Will chase to allow Daffodil access to test cases. The WG should define how implementation confirm that they 'conform to DFDL v1' 01/09: IBM still progressing the legal aspect. Intends to publish 100 or so tests as soon as it can, ahead of a full compliance suite. 08/09: IBM still progressing 15/09: IBM still progressing, expect tests to be available within a few weeks 22/09: IBM still progressing, expect tests to be available within a few weeks 29/09:Test cases are being prepared. 06/10: Some test cases should be available next week. Steve would like to be able to show the test case information at OGF 30. 13/10: Still progressing 10/11: Legal issues cleared, IBM in process of collecting 100 example test cases, ideally ones that fit the 'extended conformance' of NCSA Daffodil 17/11: Work is progressing on verifying the test cases. It should be possible to distribute to the WG in 2 weeks. 24/11: About half the test cases have been completed and are being reviewed internally. 01/12: Test cases should be available shortly 08/12: The test cases are in internal IBM review. Probably need a bit of reorganising before publication Stephanie gave a brief overview of the format of the test cases. 15/12: Ruth joined the call to provide the latest status. The test cases have been updated and a draft read.me produced. Although not ready for public distribution Ruth will send them to Joe for feedback. 22/12: Test cases were sent to Joe for initial testing which found some problems in the Daffodil parser 12/01: All current tests use a default format whih Daffodil doesn't currently support. Joe suggested that there should be test that defined the same function using different definition forms. Also suggested that default formats should be provided by the WG. This had always been the intention. Action 133 raised to track. 19/01: There is currently no resource available in IBM to make more tests available. IBM to discuss how/if it can make a 'minimal compliance test suite' available. 26/01: Action kicked off within IBM. There was a brief discussion abot naming and organisation of test cases but no preferences were expressed 02/02: IBM will not have the resources to develop a full test suite in the near future. Steve suggested that we produce a list of required test cases so that anyone could supply them. 09/02: Steve had previously sent a list of areas to be tested. Please review. 23/02: Please review Steve's list of areas to be tested 02/03: Alan had reviewed Steve's list and we went through his comments. Agreed there is no need for separate tests for the infoset or for dfdl: property lists, unions etc but comment will be added that these should be exercised during property testing. 09/03: Alan updated the test document. Need more introduction and [erhaps adopting the OGF template. 111 Daffodil DFDL parser 11/08: Bob and Alejandro described the new implementation that they have developed. It is a new code base and is not based on the Deffudle prototype. It is written in scala and implements approximately 80% of the features in the public comments draft of DFDL V1. Alejandro will send a list of the features not implemented. We discussed the scenarios that motivated the development which was to extract data from various sources and transform into canonical formats. Bob offered to make Daffodil available for the WG to assess the functionality. IBM WG members will get approval the company to allow them to receive Daffodil. Bob raised the question that if Daffodil becomes the public implementation of DFDL then we will need to work out how that would be funded and managed. It would be helpful if IBM test cases were available to Daffodil. IBM will investigate 25/08: Alejandro had sent a list of the functions that he has implemented and Steve ahd responding indicating the extra functions he thought were essential. Since then Alejandro has implemented some of the missing functions, such as escape schemes, pre-defined variables, binary decimal numbers, etc, and will update his list. Bob is planning to make the parser available on the internet to allow testing. His organisation is being reorganised and he doesn't know what the priority of Daffodill will be so it is essential that we move quickly. It would help if IBM could indicate its support for Daffodil in some semi-formal way. 01/09: Alejandro updating Daffodil to include escape schemes, unordered sequences and ignoreCase. Daffodil being placed under formal source control in anticipation of external release. Bob has a start October deadline to create a report on what has been done for his sponsors. It would be great if we could get Daffodil on the web and have run some IBM tests so it could be highlighted at OGF 30 at end October. 08/09: Alejandro is marking up Spec draft 42 to indicate which features Daffodil implement. Bob expects Daffodil to be available on the web soon. 15/09: Alejandro had indicated in the specification which functions were implemented in Daffodill. Steve had reviewed and identified which function need to be implemented and which could be considered optional (see action 099). Alejandro is implementing the missing core functions. There was some discussion about the limitations on unordered groups. (stop value and expression not supported). It was agreed that it should be a schema definition error if dfdl:occursCountKind is 'stopValue' on any element within an unordered sequence and a floating element. 22/09: not discussed 29/09: not discussed 06/10: Alejandro has left NCSA. Bob is making the case for continuing and having a replacement. Bob to agree with Steve what can be said at OGF30. 13/10: Bob still progressing project funding and making Daffodil publically available. 10/11: NCSA internal & sponsor (US National Archive in Washington DC - Electronic Records Administration) reviews passed. NCSA have new resource allocated - Joe Futrelle. Bob has started open source paperwork. ETA end December. 17/11: Joe has started coming up to speed with Daffodil. Bob is waiting for signoff from the university to open source the code. 24/11: not discussed 01/12: Joe is becoming familiar with the code. Waiting for university to give permission to make available. 08/12: Disclosure process in progressing. Bob has permission to make the web page available so hopefully that will be soon. The US National Archive have an article on their website about DFDL. Unfortunately it is a little out of date. 15/12: Hope to get permission to make the source code available within days. Web demo page will be available when resources have been identified. 22/12: An internal demonstration web page has been made available. Initial testing highlight some problems. Joe investigating. 12/01: Web site has been move to a public URL http://daffodil.ncsa.uiuc.edu/. Joe thinks there are multiple problems that will show up when he can run the test cases. 19/01: Joe has had little time to work on Daffodil. Without significant research into the code it is difficult to know how compliant daffodil is. Discussed if there are ways the WG could help. Suggestions - Help review the code - Review the Daffodil test cases for correctness - Simplify the IBM test cases to be 'unit tests' Alan to ask for permission to review test cases and possibly simplifying the IBM test cases 26/01: Joe has ot had any time to work on Daffodil. We briefly discuessed if it was possible to use XSLT to transform test cases so they didn't use defaulting but it didn't seem possible and effort would be better targetted at the Daffodil code. Alan had asked for permission to view test cases and subsequently heard that it has been given. 02/02: Joe will send the Daffodil test cases for Alan to review. 09/02: Alan has received the test cases and will feed back comments. Joe is looking at support for the default format 16/02: Alan has corrected some of the daffodil test cases and identified common problems 23/02: No update 02/03: no progress 09/03: no progress 112 DFDL certification process 25/08: Discussed how to certify DFDL implementations. Alan to investigate if OGF have a defined process. 01/09: In progress, spec needs to state what conformance means, as part of this work 08/09: Discussed what needs to be said in the spec and agreed that details of a conformance test suite should be in another document. Alan to draft conformance section. 15/09: Alan had look at the conformance sections in XML and Schema specifications both of which indicate sections which must be implemented. None just say 'execute the test suite'. They talk in terms of conformance of document, schema and processors.. 22/09: no progress 22/09: Alan has added short Conformance and Optional Features sections to spec which was briefly discussed. Discussed naming for processors that don't implement optional features and those that implement all features. 06/10: Need to decide what/how test cases and certification process should occur 13/10: no progress ... 08/12: no progress 15/12: no progress 22/12: no progress 12/01: no progress 19/01: Agreed that a minimum compliance test suite needs to be provided. This could be a test suite and/or a web service that tested DFDL implementations 26/01: Waiting for test suite. 02/02: We need to document the intention of providing a test suite as the compliance process. 09/02: Alan will create a 'DFDL conformance' document that will state that a test suite will be is being developed. 23/02: no update 02/03: no progress 09/03: see action 066 123 DFDL tutorial 13/10: Draft of first 3 chapters has been written and will be distributed to WG 10/11: Posted to grid forge here ( http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc16106?nav=1), work continuing at IBM to define a standard example-based chapter framework and to author additional chapters. Contributors welcome! 17/11: Steve, Stephanie and Alan had a meeting to discuss the best structure for the tutorial and decide which examples to use throughout. The meeting raised more questions. Further discussions will be held. 24:11: The list of topics to be covered in the remaining lessons has been produced and a lesson template. Alan will write lesson 4 01/12: Alan has started lesson 4 which covers fixed and variable fields and arrays. 08/12: Alan has almost completed lesson 4. Will send out for review. 15/12: First draft of lesson 4 is available for review. Alan to send to Bob and Joe. 22/12: Alan has distributed drafts for tutorials on Basic Structure and Optional/Repeating elements. Please review 12/01: Alan distributed a tutorial for choices and updated the others. Alan and Steve reviewed them and updated versions will be sent soon. Should start on the 'representation' tutorials soon. 19/01: The tutorials for basic structure, optional/arrays and choices have be updated. Please review. The tutorial for text elements should be available soon. 26/01: No comments received about 3 tuorials distributed last week. Alan is still working on Text representation. 02/02: Steve has sent comments on three tutorials. Alan to send updated versions by the end of the week. Alan has also distributed the first part of the tutorial on text representation and would like feedback. 09/02: Steve had reviewed tutorials 3,4,5 and updated versions have been distributed. Joe reviewed lesson on text elements. Main points. Using 'represented as text' is confusing. Examples are too cluttered. Suggest simple targeted examples but still build up to final complete schema 23/02: New versions distributed and Steve has commented. 02/03: Alan has published the final versions of tutorials 4,5,6 and is working on text respresentations. There was some discussion about the detail that needs to be covered. Should limit it to 'common usage' and refer to the spec for details of edge cases. 09/03: Alan distributed an update to the text tutorial. Please review 124 DFDL web content on OGF standards pages 13/10: no progress 10/11: no progress 17/11: Alan has looked at the OGF web pages and there aren't many standards listed. Some of the links point to very short primers rather than the specification 08/12: Alan to produce some information to be ready for when spec is approved. Still no word about is it was discussed/approved at OGF meeting 15/12: no progress 22/12: Steve has developed a summary web page for DFDL which will be sent to OGF when spec is approved. 12/01: Not heard from Joel about updated OGF pages Alan to chase. Will also track other site updates: Wikipedia, IBM developerworks etc. 19/01: Still no response from Joel. Other web site that need updating - IBM virtual XML - Defuddle - Wikipedia - Need google trawl for others Also need to make spec and tutorials more accessible on the web, eg in pdf and/or html format. 26/01: Still not heard from Joel about OGF web pages. PDF versions of the Specification and tutorials have been uploaded to gridforge. 02/02: A DFDL web page is available at www.ogf.org/dfdl. We need to update the IBM virtual XML and MCSA Defuddle pages. Will ask Mike Beckerle to update his DFDL page. 09/02: Wikipedia DFDL page is available. 23/02: All sites except Defuddle have been updated. 02/03: NCSA web pages have been updated. The DFDL WG home page needs updating and should provide links to spec and tutorials. 09/03: Steve has updated the DFDL WG home page and is in contact with Edinburgh University to update an old DFDL presentation. Would like to have a separate DFDL tutorial page to link to the individual lessons. Bob will chase the old defuddle web pages 129 Press release to publicise DFDL Steve is pulling together a press release at IBM. Want to include as many contributors and interested parties as possible.NCSA are keen to be included. Also likely that US National Archive will want to be included. Mike has indicated OCO are too. 17/11: no progress 08/12: Still no response from IBM press office 15/12: no progress .... 02/03: no progress 131 Transformation of dfdl properties to a canonical form 08/12: Joe has produced a XSLT to transform a DFDL schema to a canonical element form. When tested it should be made available on the WG gidforge site. 15/12: Alan tested against test dfdl schema which worked correctly (after fixing some errors in the schema) 22/12: no update 12/01: Joe has some defects to fix before making available on gridforge. 19/01: There is a difficult problem to solve before Joe make the style sheet public 26/01: Working on problems 02/02: no progress 09/02: As it wasn't a simple as exoected this will be treated as a low priority action 23/02: low prioity 09/03: low priority 132 Publishing DFDL xsd 08/12: Agreed that it should be made available. Suman has started the approval process in IBM 15/12: no progress 22/12: no update 12/01: Suman is getting approval from IBM to publish. 19/01: Waiting to get IBM approval to publish 26/01: no update 02/02: No update 09/02: no update 23/02: no update 02/03: Suman is working through the IBM process to permit publication. There was discussion about what licence the XSD would be published under and how that would effect use in products. Suman to investigate 09/03: no update 133 Make a set of default formats available (SKK) 19/01: Suman expects some default formats to be ready by Feb 9th. Will need approval to publish 26/01: Stephanie sent the defaults used by test cases to Suman 02/02: no update 09/02: no update 23/02: no update 02/03:Same as 132 09/03: no update 136 Arrays with missing elements There is a problem when there are empty/missing array elements with an index greater than minOccurs. For example: xs:element name"array" minOccurs=0, maxOccurs=10 lengthKind='delimited' Datastream: ,,,value3,value4 Infoset will contain: array[1] = value3 array[2] = value4 This is because elements with an index greater than minOccurs are optional and so do not get defaulted. Unparsing this infoset will produce: Datastream: value3,value4 You could make the empty space (%ES;) the nil value which will work for simple elements but not for complex. Infoset will contain: array[1] = nil array[2] = nil array[3] = value3 array[4] = value4 23/02: Discussed options 1. Changed definition of required for arrays to be 'required up to the last instance in the data stream of the array' 2. add index to the element info item Steve to investigate if XDM uses an index. 02/03:no progress 09/03: no update 137 Map DFDL infoset to XDM This is an old workitem 02/03:no progress 09/03: no update Closed actions No Action Work items: No Item target version status 042 Mapping of the DFDL infoset to XDM none not required for V1 specification Regards Alan Powell Development - MQSeries, Message Broker, ESB IBM Software Group, Application and Integration Middleware Software ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM MP211, Hursley Park Hursley, SO21 2JN United Kingdom Phone: +44-1962-815073 e-mail: alan_powell@uk.ibm.com Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. 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