Re: [DFDL-WG] Numbers with multiple ranges

9 Mar 2009

      But you can parse it.

If it's just the validation, you still have ambiguitities e.g., suppose I
form a union of two types, each derived from xs:int, but with different DFDL
representations. There's a conflict then, how is that resolved. Rules for
"consistency" among two DFDL annotations will be complex. E.g., is an int
with a 31 bit representation compatible wiht an int with 32 bit
representation? - shouldn't be unless both are unsigned. Etc.

...mike

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From: Steve Hanson [mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 4:46 AM
To: DFDL
Cc: dfdl-wg@ogf.org
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] Numbers with multiple ranges

It's a validation issue. I have a packed decimal number with ranges 0-100,
200-300, 400-500. I can't parse and validate this with DFDL. WTX can handle
this today. 

Regards

Steve Hanson
Programming Model Architect
WebSphere Message Brokers
Hursley, UK
Internet: smh@uk.ibm.com
Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848 

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07/03/2009 04:49 

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Re: [DFDL-WG] Numbers with multiple ranges

What does this have to do with representation/ format ? 

Seems totally out of scope to me. 

...mikeb 

On Mar 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Steve Hanson < <mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com>
smh@uk.ibm.com> wrote:

One of the existing non-XML parsers from IBM is capable of modelling an
integer or decimal with non-contiguous ranges, eg, 0-100, 200-300, 400-500.
It is also possible to model this using XML Schema, using a user-defined
simple type which is a union of simple type restrictions. 

However it is not possible to model this in DFDL because unions are not
supported. A choice could be used, but that would give different named
elements in the resultant infoset depending on the value, which is not
ideal. 

I believe this is use case that we should consider for DFDL 1.0.  We could
decide to allow unions, but with a constraint that the members of the union
had to be restrictions of the same built-in type, and that clashing DFDL
properties on the members was an error. I believe the existing scoping rules
for visiting types would still apply ok. No annotation appears on the
xs:union only on the xs:simpleType as currently. The net effect is that our
parsing rules are the same as currently, but we gain validation capability. 

I am not in favour of more widespread support for unions. I don't have a
compelling use case for union of different logical types, eg, xs:dateTime
and xs:string. 

Your thoughts are welcome. 

 !-- integer range 0 - 100 
 <xsd:simpleType name="intRange1"> 
   <xsd:restriction base="xsd:int"> 
     <xsd:maxInclusive value="100"/> 
     <xsd:minInclusive value="0"/> 
   </xsd:restriction> 
 </xsd:simpleType> 

 !-- integer range 200 - 300 
 <xsd:simpleType name="intRange2"> 
   <xsd:restriction base="xsd:int"> 
     <xsd:maxInclusive value="300"/> 
     <xsd:minInclusive value="200"/> 
   </xsd:restriction> 
 </xsd:simpleType> 

 !-- integer range 400-500 
 <xsd:simpleType name="intRange3"> 
   <xsd:restriction base="xsd:int"> 
     <xsd:maxInclusive value="500"/> 
     <xsd:minInclusive value="400"/> 
   </xsd:restriction> 
 </xsd:simpleType> 

 !-- Union of above types 
 <xsd:simpleType name="intRange"> 
   <xsd:union memberTypes="intRange1 intRange2 intRange3"/> 
 </xsd:simpleType> 

 !-- Union of anonymous types being restrictions of above types 
 <xsd:simpleType name="intRangeLocal"> 
   <xsd:union> 
     <xsd:simpleType> 
       <xsd:restriction base="intRange1"/> 
     </xsd:simpleType> 
     <xsd:simpleType> 
       <xsd:restriction base="intRange2"/> 
     </xsd:simpleType> 
     <xsd:simpleType> 
       <xsd:restriction base="intRange3"/> 
     </xsd:simpleType> 
   </xsd:union> 
 </xsd:simpleType> 

 !-- Union of anonymous types being local restrictions 
 <xsd:simpleType name="intRangeLocalRestrictions"> 
   <xsd:union> 
     <xsd:simpleType> 
       <xsd:restriction base="xsd:int"> 
         <xsd:minInclusive value="0"/> 
         <xsd:maxInclusive value="100"/> 
       </xsd:restriction> 
     </xsd:simpleType> 
     <xsd:simpleType> 
       <xsd:restriction base="xsd:int"> 
         <xsd:minInclusive value="200"/> 
         <xsd:maxInclusive value="300"/> 
       </xsd:restriction> 
     </xsd:simpleType> 
     <xsd:simpleType> 
       <xsd:restriction base="xsd:int"> 
         <xsd:minInclusive value="400"/> 
         <xsd:maxInclusive value="500"/> 
       </xsd:restriction> 
     </xsd:simpleType> 
   </xsd:union> 
 </xsd:simpleType> 

Regards

Steve Hanson
Programming Model Architect
WebSphere Message Brokers
Hursley, UK
Internet:  <mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com>  <mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com> smh@uk.ibm.com
Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848

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