In that case I don't see the harm in the
escape scheme approach, with generateEscapeBlock set to 'whenNeeded'. It
makes your infoset much cleaner as you just have one simple element (instead
of a local sequence with multiple child elements).
Regards
Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF
DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh@uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
From:
"Garriss Jr.,
James P." <jgarriss@mitre.org>
To:
"dfdl-wg@ogf.org"
<dfdl-wg@ogf.org>,
Date:
12/03/2013 13:42
Subject:
Re: [DFDL-WG]
Optional Initiator and Terminator?
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I suspect that it would be
better to remove them, but it would be ok if they were not removed.
From: Steve Hanson [mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:33 AM
To: Garriss Jr., James P.
Cc: dfdl-wg@ogf.org; dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] Optional Initiator and Terminator?
If you parse and then serialize, are you
bothered whether the { } are preserved from input to output?
Regards
Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF
DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh@uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
From: "Garriss
Jr., James P." <jgarriss@mitre.org>
To: "dfdl-wg@ogf.org"
<dfdl-wg@ogf.org>,
Date: 12/03/2013
12:33
Subject: Re:
[DFDL-WG] Optional Initiator and Terminator?
Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org
> I suggested the use of an escape
scheme to handle this
Yes, you did. :-) You have correctly perceived the original
intentions of these initiators/discriminators; however, in practice, the
escape characters never appear, so they are genuinely superfluous, thus
I don’t think the escape scheme approach is best.
> The 'sequence' is more flexible as
it gives you the possibility of hiding the brackets from the infoset using
dfdl:hiddenGroupRef.
This is helpful, and I’ll try it this way.
Thank you!
From: Steve Hanson [mailto:smh@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:42 AM
To: Cranford, Jonathan W.
Cc: dfdl-wg@ogf.org;
dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org;
Garriss Jr., James P.
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] Optional Initiator and Terminator?
In an earlier email exchange on this subject, I suggested the use of an
escape scheme to handle this, assuming that the { } are either both absent
or both present, using properties escapeKind 'escapeBlock', escapeBlockStart
'{', escapeBlockEnd '}'. The disadvantage of this approach is when serializing
- you need to set property generateEscapeBlock to 'always' or 'whenNeeded'
- there is no setting for 'remember what it was when parsed'. That may
or may not be a requirement here.
If an escape scheme is not appropriate, then whether the 'choice' or 'sequence
with optionality' approach is best is really up to you. It all depends
on how you want to manipulate the infoset subsequently. The 'sequence'
is more flexible as it gives you the possibility of hiding the brackets
from the infoset using dfdl:hiddenGroupRef.
To Jonathan's point, if the { } are either both absent or both present.
you can place a dfdl:assert on the sequence which throws an error if the
brackets are unbalanced.
Regards
Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF
DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh@uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
From: "Cranford,
Jonathan W." <jcranford@mitre.org>
To: "Garriss
Jr., James P." <jgarriss@mitre.org>,
"dfdl-wg@ogf.org"
<dfdl-wg@ogf.org>,
Date: 08/03/2013
21:29
Subject: Re:
[DFDL-WG] Optional Initiator and Terminator?
Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org
I don’t know the answer to the DFDL portion of your question, but I can
say your two workarounds aren’t equivalent. The latter will accept an
initiator with no terminator, and vice versa (e.g., “{ data” and “data
}”, while the former will not.
HTH,
Jonathan
From: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org
[mailto:dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org]
On Behalf Of Garriss Jr., James P.
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 12:42 PM
To: dfdl-wg@ogf.org
Subject: [DFDL-WG] Optional Initiator and Terminator?
Is there a way to specify that an initiator/terminator pair is optional?
IOW, these are both valid:
{ data }
data
If not, which of these workarounds is better (and why)?
Choice
DataWithInitiatorAndTeminator
DataWithoutInitiatorAndTeminator
Or
Sequence
OptionalInitiator (0 to 1)
Data
OptionalTerminator (0 to 1)
These seem the same to me, but maybe there’s a reason why one is better.--
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