Agreed on DFDL WG call on 5th April 2012 to take an errata to improve the wording as below, but not to disallow relative exprs in defineFormat or defineEscapeScheme, as it prejudges usage. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com> Cc: dfdl-wg@ogf.org Date: 05/04/2012 12:40 Subject: Re: Issue 168 - Re: [DFDL-WG] Fw: Escape scheme properties that can be expressions Mike I think the wording in 6.3.2 applies specifically to the anonymous dfdl:format. I don't think it was intended to apply to dfdl:format inside dfdl:defineFormat nor to dfdl:escapeScheme inside dfdl:defineEscapeScheme, presumably due to the reasons we discussed on last week's call - namely that by using dfdl:ref they can be applied directly to a specific object. Of course, dfdl:ref can be used on the anonymous dfdl:format too, So the 6.3.2 words should have said: "In the dfd:format annotation on the xs:schema, a DFDL property either declared locally or obtained via dfdl:ref and which uses a DFDL expressions to provide its value MAY NOT contain relative paths". So I think we still need to decide on dfdl:format inside dfdl:defineFormat nor to dfdl:escapeScheme inside dfdl:defineEscapeScheme. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com> To: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM@IBMGB Cc: dfdl-wg@ogf.org Date: 03/04/2012 15:45 Subject: Issue 168 - Re: [DFDL-WG] Fw: Escape scheme properties that can be expressions In the absence of a compelling reason to allow relative paths here, I think the conservative choice is to retain this rule from 6.3.2. However, I did think about this and my evaluation on this topic is that allowing relative paths makes things just a little more complicated analytically to insure one gets good performance, but as DFDL does not allow recursive types, it is a relatively simple analysis to convert any relative path use in DFDL into absolute paths. So I am not worried about there being performance impact. ...mikeb On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Steve Hanson <smh@uk.ibm.com> wrote: We took action 168 on the last call to discuss the issue of relative paths in expressions for properties in global formats. 168 Relative path expressions in global annotations (Mike) 28/03: Mike to check that allowing relative paths does not cause performance problems for an implementation. 05/04: Just seen this in section 6.3.2. of the spec: "DFDL expressions that are used to provide the value of DFDL properties in the dfd:format annotation on the xs:schema MAY NOT contain relative paths". Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 ----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 02/04/2012 12:28 ----- From: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To: dfdl-wg@ogf.org Date: 14/03/2012 16:09 Subject: Escape scheme properties that can be expressions The spec allows the escapeCharacter and escapeEscapeCharacter of DFDL escapeScheme to be expressions, in case the characters are supplied dynamically in the data stream. However given that escape schemes are defined globally, should these properties be permitted to take relative paths in the expression? Today the spec implicitly allows this, meaning an implementation can not entirely validate an escapeScheme annotation up front, but must validate escapeCharacter and escapeEscapeCharacter at each point of use. I'm not sure it makes much sense for the path to be anything than absolute. Regards Steve Hanson Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL) Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- dfdl-wg mailing list dfdl-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/dfdl-wg -- Mike Beckerle | OGF DFDL WG Co-Chair Tel: 781-330-0412 Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU