Mike Looking at leadingSkip, spec says "A non-negative number of bytes or bits, depending on dfdl:alignmentUnits, to skip before alignment is applied" (my emphasis). And this is matched by the grammar which says: " LeadingAlignment = LeadingSkip AlignmentFill" Together these imply that any application of leadingSkip takes place before the calculation of the AlignmentFill region, and so is not itself aware of alignment. Same deal for trailingSkip. For it to be otherwise, I think the grammar would have to include 'leadingSkipFill' and 'trailingSkipFill' regions. ------------------------------- While researching this, I noted that the spec says: "The length of the AlignmentFill region is measured in bits. If alignmentUnits is 'bytes' then we multiply the alignment value by 8 to get the bit alignment, B. If the current position (first position after the end of the previous element) value is bit position N, then the length of the AlignmentFill region is the smallest non-negative integer L such that (L + N) mod B = 1. The position of the first bit of the aligned element is P = L + N." I read that as saying byte alignment moves you on to a byte boundary. Fine, but it doesn't say anything about the effect of leadingSkip. It also uses 'element' instead of 'component'. And the start of a component is not always straight after the end of the previous component - think about the first component in a parent where parent has leading framing. I think this should be: "The length of the AlignmentFill region is measured in bits. If alignmentUnits is 'bytes' then we multiply the alignment value by 8 to get the bit alignment, B. If the position in the data stream of the start of the AlignmentFill region is bit position N, then the length of the AlignmentFill region is the smallest non-negative integer L such that (L + N) mod B = 1. The position of the first bit of the aligned component is P = L + N." Regards Steve Hanson Architect, IBM DFDL Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group IBM SWG, Hursley, UK smh@uk.ibm.com tel:+44-1962-815848 From: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl@gmail.com> To: "dfdl-wg@ogf.org" <dfdl-wg@ogf.org>, Date: 26/03/2014 15:01 Subject: [DFDL-WG] alignment questions Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org Are leadingSkip always byte aligned, or are they N * 8 bits added on. Similarly trailingSkip E.g., <element name="x" type="xs:int" dfdl:lengthKind="explicit" dfdl:length="1" dfdl:lengthUnits="bits" dfdl:trailingSkip="10" dfdl:alignmentUnits="bytes" dfdl:alignment="1"/> So, after this element am I at bit 81 or bit 88? In other words, does the trailingSkip region get aligned per size of alignment unit, or does alignment really only happen at the beginning of an element. Mike Beckerle | OGF DFDL Workgroup Co-Chair | Tresys Technology | www.tresys.com Please note: Contributions to the DFDL Workgroup's email discussions are subject to the OGF Intellectual Property Policy -- dfdl-wg mailing list dfdl-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/dfdl-wg Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU