13 May
2010
13 May
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1:29 p.m.
Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group OGF DFDL Working Group Call, May 12 -2010 Attendees Steve Hanson (IBM) Alan Powell (IBM) Suman Kalia (IBM) Stephanie Fetzer (IBM) Tim Kimber(IBM) Apologies Steve Marting (Progeny) Mike Beckerle (Oco) 1 Nils, defaults and unparsing >From last calls minutes - It was agreed that on unparsing a simple infoset item with no value will be treated the same as missing. Steve H to check WMB behaviour. Need to state in 4.1.2 Infoset that value is optional. " Something to note. We say that for a simple element infoset item [dataValue] has a value (either type compliant or nil) and for a complex element infoset item [dataValue] has 'no value'. Also we say that for a simple element infoset item [children] has 'no value' and for a complex element infoset item [children] it may have a value (so it could also have 'no value'). The implication therefore is that an element infoset item is deduced to be simple or complex based on the [dataValue] property. If we let a simple item take 'no value' for [dataValue] as proposed, then there is no reliable way to identify an element infoset item as simple or complex. Is that a problem in practice? After parsing, all simple items will have [dataValue] set. For items created by some other means, and presumably destined for unparsing, you could have an item with neither [dataValue] nor [children] set. We could say (1) that an element infoset item is known to be simple or complex only when it is processed by the unparser, at which point the item is matched to the DFDL schema and its type resolved. This is what broker's MRM parser does. Alternatively (2) we introduce a simple/complex flag. Note that I tried creating an MRM 'infoset' item for a string element but just gave a name and no value. The MRM serializer looked at the element, matched it to its model, found it was simple, and treated the value as NULL which invoked null processing. The XML serializer also assumed NULL. Personally I think we should adopt (1) but interpret 'no value' for a simple item as nil and not missing. Options for simple types: 1) Treat like missing from infoset. Means that an optional element will not be output, and a required element will go through default value processing. 2) Treat like [dataValue] is nil. Means nil processing is invoked if nillable. This is what MRM does today. 3) Give an error - [dataValue] must always be set. It is up to the hosting application to apply a semantic to a missing value from its own 'infoset' and always set something when calling DFDL, if it wants to avoid such errors. After discussion general agreement that in the absence of any other reason compatibility with existing products meant option 2. Steve H suggested we get Mike's opinion. Alan has been updating the Nils/Defaults section and raised the following questions A) Does nil processing apply to optional elements? In particular should a nilValue of empty string apply to optional element. Nil processing does apply to optional elements including a nilValue of %#ES; B) Does the nilValueDelimiterPolicy and emptyyValueDelimiterPolicy of a child apply on parsing when the parent is missing. That is should there be different rules for when the just child is missing than when the parent is missing. After discussion although it was felt that there could be formats that required that support we weren't aware of any so V1 will say that the child policy properties do apply. 2 OGF 29 Chicago, June 20-22 Suman volunteered to attend to present. Note the public comment period ends 15 June. 3 Current Actions see below 4 zoned numbers clarifications The specification of the number pattern for zoned numbers is not clear. A. Clarification: When dfdl:textNumberRep is ?zoned? only the pattern for positive numbers is used. Only the following pattern characters may be used: '+' MUST BE present at the beginning or end of the pattern to indicate whether the leading or trailing digit carries the overpunched sign, if the logical type is signed '+' MAY BE present at the beginning or end of the pattern to indicate whether the leading or trailing digit carries the overpunched sign, if the logical type is unsigned 'V' MAY BE used to indicate the location of an implied decimal point '0' indicates the number of required digits (including overpunched). '#' indicates the number optional digits. Agreed B. Also textNumberPolicy implies it applies to zoned, but doesn't state what zoned behaviour it covers. I think it should be consistent with binaryNumberCheckPolicy for packed, and control whether positive punched data is accepted or rejected when parsing an unsigned type, and whether unpunched data is accepted or rejected when parsing a signed type. Agreed C. Finally, several textNumber properties only apply to standard or zoned. We could distinguish these by name, which is what we have done elsewhere. So: - textStandardBase - textStandardGroupSeparator - textStandardExponentCharacter - textStandardInfinityRep - textStandardNanRep - textStandardZeroRep - textZonedSignStyle Stephanie noted that changes to properties caused rework of test cases so, in general, should be resisted Agreed to change Meeting closed, 14:30 Next call Wednesday 19 May 2010 15:00 UK (10:00 ET) Next action: 092 Actions raised at this meeting No Action Current Actions: No Action 066 Investigate format for defining test cases 25/11:IBM to see if it is possible to publish its test case format. 04/12: no update ... 17/02: IBM is willing in principle to publish the test case format and some of the test cases. May need some time to build a 'compliance suite' 24/03: No progress 03/03: Discussions have been taking place on the subset of tests that will be provided. 10/03: work is progressing 17/03: work is progressing 31/03: work is progressing 14/04: And XML test case format has been defined and is being tested. 21/04. Schema for TDML defined. Need to define how this and the test cases will be made public 05/05: Work still progressing 12/05: Work still progressing 084 Check behaviour of dfdl:inputValueCalc and outputValueCalc. 14/04: no prorgess 21/04: no progress 05/05: no progress 085 ALL: publicize Public comments phase to ensure a good review.. 14/04: see minutes 21/04: Press release, OMG and other standards bodies. 05/05: Alan and Steve H have contacted other standards bodies. Will ask them to add comments on spec 15/05: still no public comments 086 AP: Nils and Defaults during unparsing - update table 31/03: TK to documetn use cases for parsing 14/04: Investigate new property to control empty string behaviour. 21/04: After investigation a new property is not required. New rules developed and tables updated. Need examples of complexTypes to confirm tables apply. Review Nils, defaulting spec section. 05/05: Discussed defaulting complex elements. Tables updated but need to add terminator. SH; to confirm WMD behaviour when infoset item has no value on unparsing Need to describe defaulting choices. 15/05: More discussion. Alan updating sections 088 define semantics of choiceKind 'fixedLength' 31/03: TK to provide definition of calculable length. Investigate PL/I varchars and Cobol occurs dependingon. 14/04Tim had distributed a document starting the definition of calculable length for the longest choice member. Alan had done some investigation of COBOL occurs depending on and when used in the working section of a program then the maximum storage was reserved but when used in the linkage section the dependent number was uses. We need to understand how the WMB COBOL importer deals with ODO. 21/04: Need to define 'calculable length' and WMB importer ODO behaviour. 05/05: TK: Still need definition of calculable length. SKK: WMB COBOL imported behaviour with ODO 15/05: Suman sent an expmle of an imported Cobol ODo which suggested that the maximum space was reserved. He will extend the example. 091 The IBM team had questioned whether timezones should be just UTC+/- offset or should GMT and other short time zones be allowed. Alan to investigate 15/05: Alan to talk to Ruth. Closed actions No Action Work items: No Item target version status 005 Improvements on property descriptions not started 012 Reordering the properties discussion: move representation earlier, improve flow of topics not started 036 Update dfdl schema with change properties ongoing 042 Mapping of the DFDL infoset to XDM none not required for V1 specification 070 Write DFDL primer 071 Write test cases. 083 Implement RFC2116 097 Remove functions that returns duration 098 occursCountKind is parsing only 099 nilValue and OccuresStopValue cannot have an expression. On unparsing only outputValueCalc can have a forward reference. 100 Need to state in 4.1.2 Infoset that value is optional. 101 When dfdl:textNumberRep is ?zoned? only the pattern for positive numbers is used. Only the following pattern characters may be used: '+' MUST BE present at the beginning or end of the pattern to indicate whether the leading or trailing digit carries the overpunched sign, if the logical type is signed '+' MAY BE present at the beginning or end of the pattern to indicate whether the leading or trailing digit carries the overpunched sign, if the logical type is unsigned 'V' MAY BE used to indicate the location of an implied decimal point '0' indicates the number of required digits (including overpunched). '#' indicates the number optional digits. 102 Also textNumberPolicy implies it applies to zoned, but doesn't state what zoned behaviour it covers. I think it should be consistent with binaryNumberCheckPolicy for packed, and control whether positive punched data is accepted or rejected when parsing an unsigned type, and whether unpunched data is accepted or rejected when parsing a signed type. 103 - textStandardBase - textStandardGroupSeparator - textStandardExponentCharacter - textStandardInfinityRep - textStandardNanRep - textStandardZeroRep - textZonedSignStyle 104 4 Unsigned decimal Proposed solution: - Allow xs:nonNegativeInteger which enables unsigned unbounded integers to be modelled. The problem to solve is then just for xs:decimal. - Call the new property dfdl:decimalSigned. It only applies to xs:decimal or user defined restrictions thereof. It applies to all physical decimals, as its name implies (not just zoned or packed). 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