re: 6. 6 Remove timing from dfdl:assert. As timing property has been removed from discriminators it is inconsistent to still have it on assert. Agreed There was also a discussion about adding a message property to discriminators which was inconclusive so decided not to change. I remembered the reason why I thought this was a good idea. Consider the situation where someone is generating their DFDL schema from meta-data. The model is large, and consists of many references to global structures. Each global structure ( e.g. an HL7 segment ) is identified in a particular way. Sometimes the segment is required, sometimes it is not. Sometimes it occurs as a child of a choice group, and sometimes not. Regardless, it is highly likely that the segment will be identified in the same way wherever it occurs. A natural decision for the modeler would be to create a dfdl:discriminator on all references to the segement, even if the ref is not under a point of uncertainty. It's harmless, and it carries no performance penalty. If we disallow the "message" attribute, it will force the modeler to put in extra logic to work out whether the ref is under a POI, and generate an assert/discriminator as appropriate. I'd be interested to know what Steph thinks about this - I think I've heard her say that she sometimes uses discriminators where an assert would have done the job, just to maintain consistency throughout the model. regards, Tim Kimber, Common Transformation Team, Hursley, UK Internet: kimbert@uk.ibm.com Tel. 01962-816742 Internal tel. 246742 From: dfdl-wg-request@ogf.org To: dfdl-wg@ogf.org Date: 01/07/2010 14:47 Subject: dfdl-wg Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1 Send dfdl-wg mailing list submissions to dfdl-wg@ogf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/dfdl-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dfdl-wg-request@ogf.org You can reach the person managing the list at dfdl-wg-owner@ogf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dfdl-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Minute for OGF DFDL Working Group Call, June 30-2010 (Alan Powell) ----- Message from Alan Powell <alan_powell@uk.ibm.com> on Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:47:07 +0100 ----- To: dfdl-wg@ogf.org Subject: [DFDL-WG] Minute for OGF DFDL Working Group Call, June 30-2010 Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group OGF DFDL Working Group Call, June 30-2010 Attendees Steve Hanson (IBM) Alan Powell (IBM) Stephanie Fetzer (IBM) Tim Kimber(IBM) Apologies Suman Kalia (IBM) Mike Beckerle (Oco) 1. Current Actions Updated below 2 Nils and Defaults. Reviewed Alan's latest draft. Agreed with definition of 'required parent context' Preferred the combining of initiated and not initiated rules. Would still like a separate definition of nillable Minor editorial changes. 3 DFDL property types and other issues. Not discussed Tim has proposed more specific types for some properties. In particular separating the different kinds of entities. - Modify the meaning and usage of the type 'DFDL String Literal' and modify the remainder of the specification accordingly - Improve the description of DFDL entities to avoid confusion over the intended usage of raw byte values. - Clarify the standard sentence about forward references in DFDL expressions - the current text implied that the restrictions only applied to the unparser. 1.1 DFDL Properties Properties on DFDL annotations may be one or more of the following types · DFDL string literal The property value is a string that represents describes a sequence of literal bytes and or characters which appear in the data stream. · List of DFDL string literals The property value is a space-separated list of DFDL string literals. When parsing, if more than one string literal in the list matches the portion of the data stream being evaluated then the longest matching string literal in the list must be used. When unparsing, the first string literal in the list must be used. · DFDL expression The property value is an XPath 2.0 expression that calculates evaluates to returns a value derived from other property values and/or from the DFDL infoset. DFDL expressions can be used to calculate property values, and to calculate logical values for simple elements. · DFDL regular expression The property value is a regular expression that can be used as a pattern to calculate the length of an element by comparing applying that pattern to the sequence of literal bytes or characters which appear in the data stream. · Enum The property value is a string literal that must be one of the allowed values listed in the property description. · QName The property value is a string literal that also conforms to an XML Qualified Name as specified in “Namespaces in XML “ · Simple Type The property value is a string that describes a logical value. The type of the logical value is one of the XML Schema simple types in the DFDL allowed subset. 1.1.1.1 DFDL Entities in String Literals 1.1.1.1 Character classes in DFDL String literals 1.1.1.1 Raw byte values in DFDL String Literals 4. using textStringPadCharacter with charRef '%#r' on multi-byte encoding Not discussed textStringPadCharacter DFDL String literal The padding character or byte value that is used when justifying or trimming text elements. A pad character can be specified using DFDL entities. A pad byte value must be specified using the %#r entity. DFDL validation rules - if a pad byte value is specified when lengthUnits='characters' then the encoding must be a fixed-width encoding. - if a pad character is specified when lengthUnits='bytes' then the pad character must be a single-byte character. If a pad byte value is specified when lengthUnits='characters' then padding and trimming must be applied using an array of N pad byte values, where N is the width of a character in the fixed-width encoding. Annotation: dfdl:element, dfdl:simpleType Would adding fillByte to dfdl:padChar enumeration make it clearer. padChar is a pad character (%#r not allowed) fillByte is a fill byte 5. nilIndicatorPath and nilIndicatorIndex properties These properties seem a bit of an anomaly. Tim has suggested they can be simplified. Not discussed 6 Remove timing from dfdl:assert. As timing property has been removed from discriminators it is inconsistent to still have it on assert. Agreed There was also a discussion about adding a message property to discriminators which was inconclusive so decided not to change. 7. Splitting the specification in simpler sections. Concern has been raised that a full DFDL implementation is complicated and expensive. A number of reviewer have said that they might implement only part of the sepcification. It has been suggested that the WG should look to see if it possible to split the specification into more manageable optional sections. Meeting closed, 17:00 Next call Wednesday 07 July 2010 15:00 UK (10:00 ET) Next action: 100 Actions raised at this meeting No Action 096 AP: using textStringPadCharacter with charRef '%#r' on multi-byte encoding 097 nilIndicatorPath and nilIndicatorIndex properties 099 Splitting the specification in simpler sections. Current Actions: No Action 066 Investigate format for defining test cases 25/11:IBM to see if it is possible to publish its test case format. 04/12: no update ... 17/02: IBM is willing in principle to publish the test case format and some of the test cases. May need some time to build a 'compliance suite' 24/03: No progress 03/03: Discussions have been taking place on the subset of tests that will be provided. 10/03: work is progressing 17/03: work is progressing 31/03: work is progressing 14/04: And XML test case format has been defined and is being tested. 21/04. Schema for TDML defined. Need to define how this and the test cases will be made public 05/05: Work still progressing 12/05: Work still progressing 02/06: Work still progressing on technical and legal considerations 16/06: work continues 23/06: work continues 30/06: work continues 085 ALL: publicize Public comments phase to ensure a good review.. 14/04: see minutes 21/04: Press release, OMG and other standards bodies. 05/05: Alan and Steve H have contacted other standards bodies. Will ask them to add comments on spec 15/05: still no public comments 02/06: No public comments 16/06: Public comments period has ended with no external comments. Alan had posted changes made in draft 041. Steve suggested send a note to the WG highlighting these changes. Steve also suggested requesting an extension as other IBM groups may review. We discussed whether this was necessary as changes will need to be made during the implementation phase anyway. Alan to ask OGF what the process is for changes post public comment. 23/06: Still no comments. Alan will contact OGF to understand the rest of the process. 30/06: Alan has emailed Joel asking what the process is now public comment period is over andcan we update the published version with WG updates. No response yet. 086 AP: Nils and Defaults during unparsing - update table 31/03: TK to documetn use cases for parsing 14/04: Investigate new property to control empty string behaviour. 21/04: After investigation a new property is not required. New rules developed and tables updated. Need examples of complexTypes to confirm tables apply. Review Nils, defaulting spec section. 05/05: Discussed defaulting complex elements. Tables updated but need to add terminator. SH; to confirm WMD behaviour when infoset item has no value on unparsing Need to describe defaulting choices. 15/05: More discussion. Alan updating sections 26/05: Discussed draft updates. Stephanie to confirm asserts do not make an element required. Alan will update draft.. All: review rest of draft. 02/06: Alan updated description. Please review. Discussed Stephanie's example using discriminators. Decided no changes needed. 16/05: went through Steves comments. Steve to update draft. 23/06: Steve's updates to the rules discussed. See minutes. Rest of document needs updating. 30/06: Discussed Alans updates. Some corrections. Alan will send out updated copy for review before next call. 088 define semantics of choiceKind 'fixedLength' 31/03: TK to provide definition of calculable length. Investigate PL/I varchars and Cobol occurs dependingon. 14/04Tim had distributed a document starting the definition of calculable length for the longest choice member. Alan had done some investigation of COBOL occurs depending on and when used in the working section of a program then the maximum storage was reserved but when used in the linkage section the dependent number was uses. We need to understand how the WMB COBOL importer deals with ODO. 21/04: Need to define 'calculable length' and WMB importer ODO behaviour. 05/05: TK: Still need definition of calculable length. SKK: WMB COBOL imported behaviour with ODO 15/05: Suman sent an expmle of an imported Cobol ODo which suggested that the maximum space was reserved. He will extend the example. 02/06: no progress 16/06: no progress 23/06: no progress 30/06: Alan looked at Tim's description of calculable length and suggested that that real use case may be much simpler. If real use case is COBOL and C importers then it would be cleaner to require the 'fixed length' to be specified on the enclosing complex element and remove choiceKind 'fixed length'. Ask Suman is COBOL and C importers can be enhance to provide length on cpmplex element. 092 AP: Confirm behaviour of defaulting with various occursCountKinds and separator policies. 16/06: no progress 23/06: discussed - whether when number of instances doesn't match specified number of occurrences is it an error or should missing instances be defaulted? Decided it is an error. - defaulting occurs up to minoccurs unless separator policy is required when default up to maxOccurs and unbounded is an error. 30/06: Decided that defaulting for variable occurrence arrays should always be to minOccurs. If separatorPolicy is 'required' then just the separators will be output up to maxOccurs and unbounded is an error. 096 AP: using textStringPadCharacter with charRef '%#r' on multi-byte encoding 097 nilIndicatorPath and nilIndicatorIndex properties 099 Splitting the specification in simpler sections. Closed actions No Action 098 Remove timing from dfdl:assert Work items: No Item target version status 005 Improvements on property descriptions not started 012 Reordering the properties discussion: move representation earlier, improve flow of topics not started 036 Update dfdl schema with change properties ongoing 042 Mapping of the DFDL infoset to XDM none not required for V1 specification 070 Write DFDL primer 071 Write test cases. 083 Implement RFC2116 105 AP: Describe trailingSkipBytes for delimited formats. Alan suggested 'dfdl:terminator must be specified and not empty if dfdl:lengthKind is delimited or endOfParent.' 106 AP: Skip Bytes should allow bits Ageed that it should be possible to specify bits. - LSB and TSB renames to dfdl:leadingSkip, dfdl:trailingSkip - units are specified by dfdl:alignmentUnits. 107 Remove timing from dfdl:assert 108 Regards Alan Powell Development - MQSeries, Message Broker, ESB IBM Software Group, Application and Integration Middleware Software ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM MP211, Hursley Park Hursley, SO21 2JN United Kingdom Phone: +44-1962-815073 e-mail: alan_powell@uk.ibm.com Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. 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