27 OccursKind for delimited arrays.
 occurskind = delimited had been removed in error and will be put back.
 occurskind renamed to occursLenghtKind
-> Why occursLengthKind ?  I prefer plain occursKind, because:

a) There will be confusion with length.

b) Symmetry: we have length & lengthKind, occurs & occursKind

AWP>>  I got the change wrong. At the F2F we agreed occursCount and occursCountKind

7 padding
AP has done more investigation and main deficiency vs WTX is lack of support for pad to miminum length for variable length items. Agreed to add this. Will use minLength facet for strings and the number pattern for Text numbers.
-> What about Text date/times?

AWP>> We already have an action to sort out Text calendars/dates

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Alan Powell/UK/IBM@IBMGB Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces@ogf.org 24/09/2008 17:32

To dfdl-wg@ogf.org cc Subject [DFDL-WG] DFDL: Minutes from OGF WG call, 24 September 2008

Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group

Weekly Working Group Conference Call
13:00 GMT, 24 September 2008


Attendees
Mike Beckerle (Oco)
Alan Powell (IBM)

Apologies
Steve Hanson (IBM)

1. Physical to Logical type conversions.
Discussed table distributed by AP

Simple type	text (+ xml)	binary
String		n/a
Float	??	FloatFormat: IEEE, IBM390Hex
Double	??	FloatFormat: IEEE, IBM390Hex
Decimal/Integer	NumberFormat: text, zoned	NumberFormat: packed, BCD
Long, Int, Short, Byte,	NumberFormat: text, zoned	NumberFormat: packed, BCD, twosComplement, binary
UnsignedLong, Unsignedint, Unsignedshort, Unsignedbyte	NumberFormat: text, zoned	NumberFormat: packed, BCD, binary
DateTime
Date
Time
Duration
Boolean
HexBinary

Agreed to keep FloatFormat rather than FloatBinaryFormat and not to have NumberTextFormat and NumberBinaryFormat. Reduces the number of properties.
No need to add text to floatFormat
Add NumberFormat Binary to do the 'normal' cases ie twoscomplement for signed types and unsigned binary for unsigned types. Remove twoscomplement. Can add other signed formats like onescomplement later when supported
Keep zoned for unsigned text even though it will produce the same output as text but it also limits the allowable NumberPattern.
Remove BCD from Long etc


Need to investigate calendar/date text and binary formats. Add to existing action


2. WTX unresolved items.

Last weeks decisions:

3,4 agreed to drop textCharacterSize and DBCSOnly from dfdl V1

7  Padding; deferred pending proposal from IBM (WTX)

9 Add zeroRequiredOnInput to meet WTX requirement - resolved

17 finalTerminatorCanBeMissing, finalPostFixSeparatorCanBeMissing.
Agreed to drop these properties and change the default syntax of terminator and postFixSeparator to be optional on parsing the last element of a sequence but always written on unparsing.

Continued this weeks:

20 unordered sequence does not necessarily need initiator, speculative parsing can work it out too.

Discussed relaxing initiator restriction and infoset order

Decided to add enum unorderedInitiated to sequenceKind for  unordered initiated item and change unordered to be  resolved by speculative parsing

sequenceKind

Enum Valid values are "ordered", "unordered" "unorderedInitiated" This property cannot have an expression used to compute its value. When "ordered", this property means that the contained items of the sequence will be encountered in the same order that they appear in the schema, which is called schema-definition-order. When "unordered", this property means that the items of the sequence will be encountered in any order. When "unorderedInitiated", this property means that the items of the sequence will be encountered in any order, but each item must have an initiator Annotation: dfdl:sequence

The infoset order for unordered and unorderedInitiated is the order in the datastream.

25. ChoiceKind fixed or variable

These are still needed. Decided to leave choiceKind  as a single property but change fixed and variable longestLength and variableLength

27 OccursKind for delimited arrays.
 occurskind = delimited had been removed in error and will be put back.
 occurskind renamed to occursLenghtKind

7 padding
AP has done more investigation and main deficiency vs WTX is lack of support for pad to miminum length for variable length items. Agreed to add this. Will use minLength facet for strings and the number pattern for Text numbers.

4. AOB

Will discuss End of Data next week

Next call  1st Oct

Meeting closed, 14:05 GMT

Actions raised at this meeting

No	Action

Current Actions:

No	Action
003	AP: Update spec from WTX document 13/8:  All resolved issues have been added to spec. Remaining unresolved items need discussion 10/9: Alan will pull out the remaining unresolved items and circulate for discussion next week 17/9: Doc distributed and partially discussed
004	MB: Mike will also author a new section in response to comments from Sandy Gao and Suman Kalia, explicitly connecting syntax with DFDL semantics 16/7: no progress 10/9: Mike not convinced this is necessary. Steve to talk to Sandy to see if it is needed for any IBM implementation that extends the existing XML parsing framework
006	SH: Distribute hidden proposal 16/7: Done. MB to review 13/8: MB to review 10/9: Mike has located this and will review 17/9: Proposal agreed
007	AP: enum + expression wording 13/8: no progress 10/9: No update 17/9: No update
011	SH: Update decimal supplement 13/8: Editorial changes needed. 10/9: Alan to incorporate into main spec 17/9: No update
012	??: Update decimalCalendarScheme 10/9: Not allocated yet 17/9: No update 24/9: add calendar binary formats to actions
013	MB: Description and use cases for EndofData syntax 10/9: Steve didn't receive this mail, he now has and will review
014	SH: Use cases for lengthKind pattern on binary fields. 10/9: Not done 17/9: No update
015	AP: removed extended floats 10/9: No update 17/9: No update
016	AP: add hidden changes to spec
017	All: Review EndOfData changes

033 Work items:

No	Item
001	String XML type (Ian P) - Apr 30, 2008
002	Escape schemes (Ian P) - Apr 30, 2008
003	Variables - ??, 2008 (Mike)
004	Selectors (Suman) - Apr 30, 2008
005	Improvements on property descriptions - ??, 2008 (All - split TBD)
006	Envelopes and Payloads (Steve) - Apr 30, 2008
007	(from draft 32) valueCalc (Mike) - ??, 2008 *Mostly complete*
008	(from draft 32) Property precedence for writing (Steve) - *complete but under review*
009	(from draft 32) Variable markup (Steve) - Mar 31, 2008 *proposal needs writing up*
010	(from draft 32) Assertions, discriminators and choice, including discussion of timing option (Suman) - Mar 31, 2008 * in progress *
011	(from draft 32) How speculative parsing works (combining choice and variable-occurence - currently these are separate) ??, 2008 (IBM) * in progress *
012	(from draft 32) Reordering the properties discussion: move representation earlier, improve flow of topics ??, 2008 (Alan) * not started *
013	(from F2F) New scoping rules
014	(from F2F) Occurs, OccurSeparator changes
015	(from F2F) choices and Output (Mike)
016	(from F2F) xpath forward references (Alan) *complete*
017	(IBM WTX review) Minor agreed updates (Alan) *complete*
018	(IBM WTX review) Review generateNewLine (Alan) *complete*
020	(IBM WTX review) Special value for zero seen eg 'zero'. (Steve)
021	(IBM WTX review) 'EndOfData' changes (Alan)
022	(IBM WTX review) Unresolvable choices - infoset changes *complete*
023	(IBM WTX review) separatorKind=’prefix’ ‘infix’ or ‘postfix’ (Alan)
024	(IBM WTX review)  StopValue clarification (Alan)
025	Augmented infoset and unparsing (Alan)

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